[VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws
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But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for those "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list would not be notified currently. I think we should change the description of this action. [1] https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process Best Yun Tang ________________________________ From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 To: dev <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws +1 (non-binding) Thanks Becket. I've learned a lot from current bylaws. Best, Jingsong Lee ------------------------------------------------------------------ From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 To:dev <[hidden email]> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws +1 (non-binding) Thanks for the efforts Becket! Best Regards, Yu On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > Thank you~ > > Xintong Song > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > +1 (binding) > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > > > For those who have already voted, just want to bring this up to your > > > attention that there is a minor clarification to the bylaws wiki this > > > morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > > > one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not counting the > > vote > > > > of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is received. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own commits and > merge > > > > right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their best > judgement > > to > > > > respect the components expertise and ongoing development plan.* > > > > > > > > > This addition does not really change anything the bylaws meant to set. > It > > > is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the vote objects, > > > please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 下午6:32写道： > > > > > > > > > >> +1 > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng <[hidden email]> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > > > > >> [hidden email] > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Best, Hequn > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> +1 > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > >>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > >>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert Metzger < > > > > >>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > > > >>> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving this > discussion > > > > >>>> Becket! > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > >>>>>>>> Till > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to change the > > > > >> permission > > > > >>> on > > > > >>>>>>> that > > > > >>>>>>>>> page? > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the wiki up for > > > > >> voting, > > > > >>> or > > > > >>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > > > > >>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to the page > > since > > > > >>> the > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > >>>>>>>>> has > > > > >>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > > > > >>> [hidden email] > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this for > > documenting > > > > >>> how > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the project > > bylaws > > > > >>> of > > > > >>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> It > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more smoothly. > > Please > > > > >>> see > > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC members' > > > > >> votes > > > > >>>>>>> are > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 majority > of > > > > >> the > > > > >>>>>>>> binding > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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+1 (binding)
Best, Kurt On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for those > "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list would not be > notified currently. I think we should change the description of this action. > > > [1] > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > Best > Yun Tang > ________________________________ > From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > To: dev <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > +1 (non-binding) > Thanks Becket. > I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > Best, > Jingsong Lee > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > To:dev <[hidden email]> > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > +1 (non-binding) > > Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > Best Regards, > Yu > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > Thank you~ > > > > Xintong Song > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > > > > > For those who have already voted, just want to bring this up to your > > > > attention that there is a minor clarification to the bylaws wiki this > > > > morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > > > > > one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not counting the > > > vote > > > > > of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is received. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own commits and > > merge > > > > > right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their best > > judgement > > > to > > > > > respect the components expertise and ongoing development plan.* > > > > > > > > > > > > This addition does not really change anything the bylaws meant to > set. > > It > > > > is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the vote > objects, > > > > please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski <[hidden email]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 > 下午6:32写道： > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1 > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > [hidden email]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > > > > > >> [hidden email] > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Best, Hequn > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> +1 > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > > >>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert Metzger < > > > > > >>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > > > > >>> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving this > > discussion > > > > > >>>> Becket! > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > > >>>>>>>> Till > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to change the > > > > > >> permission > > > > > >>> on > > > > > >>>>>>> that > > > > > >>>>>>>>> page? > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the wiki up for > > > > > >> voting, > > > > > >>> or > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to the page > > > since > > > > > >>> the > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > > >>>>>>>>> has > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > > > > > >>> [hidden email] > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this for > > > documenting > > > > > >>> how > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the project > > > bylaws > > > > > >>> of > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more smoothly. > > > Please > > > > > >>> see > > > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC > members' > > > > > >> votes > > > > > >>>>>>> are > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 majority > > of > > > > > >> the > > > > > >>>>>>>> binding > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Best, Jark On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 (binding) > > Best, > Kurt > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for those > > "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list would not be > > notified currently. I think we should change the description of this > action. > > > > > > [1] > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > > > Best > > Yun Tang > > ________________________________ > > From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > To: dev <[hidden email]> > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > Thanks Becket. > > I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > > > Best, > > Jingsong Lee > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > > Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > To:dev <[hidden email]> > > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > > > Best Regards, > > Yu > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > Thank you~ > > > > > > Xintong Song > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > > > > > > > For those who have already voted, just want to bring this up to > your > > > > > attention that there is a minor clarification to the bylaws wiki > this > > > > > morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > > > > > > > one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not counting > the > > > > vote > > > > > > of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is received. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own commits and > > > merge > > > > > > right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their best > > > judgement > > > > to > > > > > > respect the components expertise and ongoing development plan.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This addition does not really change anything the bylaws meant to > > set. > > > It > > > > > is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the vote > > objects, > > > > > please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > [hidden email]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 > > 下午6:32写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > > > > > > >> [hidden email] > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Best, Hequn > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> +1 > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > > > >>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert Metzger > < > > > > > > >>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > > > > > >>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving this > > > discussion > > > > > > >>>> Becket! > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Till > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to change the > > > > > > >> permission > > > > > > >>> on > > > > > > >>>>>>> that > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> page? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the wiki up > for > > > > > > >> voting, > > > > > > >>> or > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to the > page > > > > since > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> has > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > > > > > > >>> [hidden email] > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this for > > > > documenting > > > > > > >>> how > > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the > project > > > > bylaws > > > > > > >>> of > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more > smoothly. > > > > Please > > > > > > >>> see > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC > > members' > > > > > > >> votes > > > > > > >>>>>>> are > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 > majority > > > of > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >>>>>>>> binding > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Thanks for pushing this! Thanks, Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > Best, > Jark > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > +1 (binding) > > > > Best, > > Kurt > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for those > > > "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list would not be > > > notified currently. I think we should change the description of this > > action. > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > > > > > Best > > > Yun Tang > > > ________________________________ > > > From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > > To: dev <[hidden email]> > > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > Thanks Becket. > > > I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > > > > > Best, > > > Jingsong Lee > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > > > Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > > To:dev <[hidden email]> > > > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Yu > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > > Thank you~ > > > > > > > > Xintong Song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who have already voted, just want to bring this up to > > your > > > > > > attention that there is a minor clarification to the bylaws wiki > > this > > > > > > morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > > > > > > > > > one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not counting > > the > > > > > vote > > > > > > > of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is > received. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own commits > and > > > > merge > > > > > > > right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their best > > > > judgement > > > > > to > > > > > > > respect the components expertise and ongoing development plan.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This addition does not really change anything the bylaws meant to > > > set. > > > > It > > > > > > is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the vote > > > objects, > > > > > > please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 > > > 下午6:32写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1 > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > > > > > > > >> [hidden email] > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Best, Hequn > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > > > > >>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert > Metzger > > < > > > > > > > >>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > > > > > > >>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving this > > > > discussion > > > > > > > >>>> Becket! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Till > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to change the > > > > > > > >> permission > > > > > > > >>> on > > > > > > > >>>>>>> that > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> page? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the wiki up > > for > > > > > > > >> voting, > > > > > > > >>> or > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to the > > page > > > > > since > > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> has > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > > > > > > > >>> [hidden email] > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this for > > > > > documenting > > > > > > > >>> how > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the > > project > > > > > bylaws > > > > > > > >>> of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more > > smoothly. > > > > > Please > > > > > > > >>> see > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC > > > members' > > > > > > > >> votes > > > > > > > >>>>>>> are > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 > > majority > > > > of > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> binding > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws
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– Ufuk On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > Thanks for pushing this! > > Thanks, > Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > > > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > Best, > > Jark > > > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > Best, > > > Kurt > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > > But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for those > > > > "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list would not > be > > > > notified currently. I think we should change the description of this > > > action. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > > > > > > > Best > > > > Yun Tang > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > > > To: dev <[hidden email]> > > > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > Thanks Becket. > > > > I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Jingsong Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > > > > Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > > > To:dev <[hidden email]> > > > > Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > > Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Yu > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > > > > Thank you~ > > > > > > > > > > Xintong Song > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > [hidden email]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin <[hidden email] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who have already voted, just want to bring this up to > > > your > > > > > > > attention that there is a minor clarification to the bylaws > wiki > > > this > > > > > > > morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not > counting > > > the > > > > > > vote > > > > > > > > of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is > > received. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own commits > > and > > > > > merge > > > > > > > > right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their best > > > > > judgement > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > respect the components expertise and ongoing development > plan.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This addition does not really change anything the bylaws meant > to > > > > set. > > > > > It > > > > > > > is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the vote > > > > objects, > > > > > > > please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang <[hidden email] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 > > > > 下午6:32写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1 > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email] > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> Best, Hequn > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>> +1 > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert > > Metzger > > > < > > > > > > > > >>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > > > > > > > >>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving this > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > >>>> Becket! > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Till > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to change > the > > > > > > > > >> permission > > > > > > > > >>> on > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> that > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> page? > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the wiki > up > > > for > > > > > > > > >> voting, > > > > > > > > >>> or > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to the > > > page > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > >>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> has > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > > > > > > > > >>> [hidden email] > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this for > > > > > > documenting > > > > > > > > >>> how > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the > > > project > > > > > > bylaws > > > > > > > > >>> of > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more > > > smoothly. > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > >>> see > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC > > > > members' > > > > > > > > >> votes > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> are > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 > > > majority > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> binding > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws
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In reply to this post by Becket Qin
I'm very late to the party, but isn't it a bit weird that we're using a
voting scheme that isn't laid out in the bylaws? Additionally, I would heavily suggest to CC [hidden email], as we want as many PMC as possible to look at this. (I would regard the this point as a reason for delaying the vote conclusion) On 11/08/2019 10:07, Becket Qin wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to start a voting thread on the project bylaws of Flink. It > aims to help the community coordinate more smoothly. Please see the bylaws > wiki page below for details. > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > The discussion thread is following: > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC members' votes are > considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 majority of the binding +1s to > pass. > > Thanks, > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > |
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AFAIK this voting scheme is described in the "Modifying Bylaws" section,
in the end introducing bylaws is a modify operation ;) . I think it is a valid point to CC [hidden email] in the future. I wouldn't say it is a must though. The voting scheme requires that every PMC member has to be reached out directly, via a private address if he/she did not vote in a thread. So every PMC member should be aware of the voting thread. Best, Dawid On 16/08/2019 12:38, Chesnay Schepler wrote: > I'm very late to the party, but isn't it a bit weird that we're using > a voting scheme that isn't laid out in the bylaws? > > Additionally, I would heavily suggest to CC [hidden email], > as we want as many PMC as possible to look at this. > (I would regard the this point as a reason for delaying the vote > conclusion) > > On 11/08/2019 10:07, Becket Qin wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to start a voting thread on the project bylaws of Flink. It >> aims to help the community coordinate more smoothly. Please see the >> bylaws >> wiki page below for details. >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 >> >> >> The discussion thread is following: >> >> http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html >> >> >> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC members' votes are >> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 majority of the binding >> +1s to >> pass. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> > |
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Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws
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The wording of the original mail is ambiguous imo.
"The vote requires 2/3 majority of the binding +1s to pass." This to me reads very much "This vote passes if 2/3 of all votes after the voting period are +1." Maybe it's just a wording thing, but it was not clear to me that this follows the 2/3 majority scheme laid out in the bylaws. On 16/08/2019 12:51, Dawid Wysakowicz wrote: > AFAIK this voting scheme is described in the "Modifying Bylaws" section, > in the end introducing bylaws is a modify operation ;) . I think it is a > valid point to CC [hidden email] in the future. I wouldn't say > it is a must though. The voting scheme requires that every PMC member > has to be reached out directly, via a private address if he/she did not > vote in a thread. So every PMC member should be aware of the voting thread. > > Best, > > Dawid > > On 16/08/2019 12:38, Chesnay Schepler wrote: >> I'm very late to the party, but isn't it a bit weird that we're using >> a voting scheme that isn't laid out in the bylaws? >> >> Additionally, I would heavily suggest to CC [hidden email], >> as we want as many PMC as possible to look at this. >> (I would regard the this point as a reason for delaying the vote >> conclusion) >> >> On 11/08/2019 10:07, Becket Qin wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I would like to start a voting thread on the project bylaws of Flink. It >>> aims to help the community coordinate more smoothly. Please see the >>> bylaws >>> wiki page below for details. >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 >>> >>> >>> The discussion thread is following: >>> >>> http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html >>> >>> >>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC members' votes are >>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 majority of the binding >>> +1s to >>> pass. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >>> |
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Hi Chesnay,
Thanks for responding. I think cc private@ is a good idea. I just added that to the CC list. We are following the 2/3 majority voting scheme defined in the bylaws here. I should have referred to the terms in the bylaws instead rephrasing them. Thanks, Jiangjie (Becket) Qin On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:14 PM Chesnay Schepler <[hidden email]> wrote: > The wording of the original mail is ambiguous imo. > > "The vote requires 2/3 majority of the binding +1s to pass." > > This to me reads very much "This vote passes if 2/3 of all votes after > the voting period are +1." > > Maybe it's just a wording thing, but it was not clear to me that this > follows the 2/3 majority scheme laid out in the bylaws. > > On 16/08/2019 12:51, Dawid Wysakowicz wrote: > > AFAIK this voting scheme is described in the "Modifying Bylaws" section, > > in the end introducing bylaws is a modify operation ;) . I think it is a > > valid point to CC [hidden email] in the future. I wouldn't say > > it is a must though. The voting scheme requires that every PMC member > > has to be reached out directly, via a private address if he/she did not > > vote in a thread. So every PMC member should be aware of the voting > thread. > > > > Best, > > > > Dawid > > > > On 16/08/2019 12:38, Chesnay Schepler wrote: > >> I'm very late to the party, but isn't it a bit weird that we're using > >> a voting scheme that isn't laid out in the bylaws? > >> > >> Additionally, I would heavily suggest to CC [hidden email], > >> as we want as many PMC as possible to look at this. > >> (I would regard the this point as a reason for delaying the vote > >> conclusion) > >> > >> On 11/08/2019 10:07, Becket Qin wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I would like to start a voting thread on the project bylaws of Flink. > It > >>> aims to help the community coordinate more smoothly. Please see the > >>> bylaws > >>> wiki page below for details. > >>> > >>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > >>> > >>> > >>> The discussion thread is following: > >>> > >>> > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > >>> > >>> > >>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC members' votes are > >>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 majority of the binding > >>> +1s to > >>> pass. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >>> > > |
Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws
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In reply to this post by Ufuk Celebi-2
+1 (binding)
Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if anything to speed up the voting process. On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > +1 (binding) > > – Ufuk > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> +1 (non-binding) >> >> Thanks for pushing this! >> >> Thanks, >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ >> >> >> >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> +1 (non-binding) >>> >>> Best, >>> Jark >>> >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 (binding) >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Kurt >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >>>>> >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for those >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list would not >> be >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the description of this >>>> action. >>>>> >>>>> [1] >>>>> >> https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process >>>>> Best >>>>> Yun Tang >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws >>>>> >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >>>>> Thanks Becket. >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Jingsong Lee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws >>>>> >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! >>>>> >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Yu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song <[hidden email]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you~ >>>>>> >>>>>> Xintong Song >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < >> [hidden email]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 (binding) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin <[hidden email] >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring this up to >>>> your >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the bylaws >> wiki >>>> this >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not >> counting >>>> the >>>>>>> vote >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is >>> received. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own commits >>> and >>>>>> merge >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their best >>>>>> judgement >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing development >> plan.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the bylaws meant >> to >>>>> set. >>>>>> It >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the vote >>>>> objects, >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < >>>> [hidden email]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang <[hidden email] >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 >>>>> 下午6:32写道： >>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < >>>>> [hidden email]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < >>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert >>> Metzger >>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving this >>>>>> discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to change >> the >>>>>>>>>>> permission >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the wiki >> up >>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> voting, >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to the >>>> page >>>>>>> since >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this for >>>>>>> documenting >>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the >>>> project >>>>>>> bylaws >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more >>>> smoothly. >>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC >>>>> members' >>>>>>>>>>> votes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 >>>> majority >>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> |
Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws
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+1 (binding)
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 (binding) > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if anything to speed up > the voting process. > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > > +1 (binding) > > > > – Ufuk > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > >> > >> Thanks for pushing this! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> > >>> +1 (non-binding) > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> Jark > >>> > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> +1 (binding) > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> Kurt > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >>>>> > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for those > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list would not > >> be > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the description of this > >>>> action. > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] > >>>>> > >> > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > >>>>> Best > >>>>> Yun Tang > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > >>>>> > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > >>>>> > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > >>>>> > >>>>> Best Regards, > >>>>> Yu > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song <[hidden email]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you~ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Xintong Song > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > >> [hidden email]> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin <[hidden email] > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring this up to > >>>> your > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the bylaws > >> wiki > >>>> this > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not > >> counting > >>>> the > >>>>>>> vote > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is > >>> received. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own commits > >>> and > >>>>>> merge > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their best > >>>>>> judgement > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing development > >> plan.* > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the bylaws meant > >> to > >>>>> set. > >>>>>> It > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the vote > >>>>> objects, > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > >>>> [hidden email]> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang <[hidden email] > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > >>>>> [hidden email]> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > >>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > >>>>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert > >>> Metzger > >>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving this > >>>>>> discussion > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to change > >> the > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the wiki > >> up > >>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to the > >>>> page > >>>>>>> since > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this for > >>>>>>> documenting > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the > >>>> project > >>>>>>> bylaws > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more > >>>> smoothly. > >>>>>>> Please > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC > >>>>> members' > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 > >>>> majority > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > |
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I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own changes. I would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer PRs as that would encourage more participation in code review and ability to contribute. On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 (binding) > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > +1 (binding) > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > > [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if anything to speed up > > the voting process. > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > – Ufuk > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > > >> > > >> Thanks for pushing this! > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > >>> > > >>> Best, > > >>> Jark > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> +1 (binding) > > >>>> > > >>>> Best, > > >>>> Kurt > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for those > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list would not > > >> be > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the description of > this > > >>>> action. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> [1] > > >>>>> > > >> > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > >>>>> Best > > >>>>> Yun Tang > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > >>>>> > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best, > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > >>>>> > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best Regards, > > >>>>> Yu > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song <[hidden email]> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thank you~ > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Xintong Song > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > > >> [hidden email]> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin <[hidden email] > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring this up to > > >>>> your > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the bylaws > > >> wiki > > >>>> this > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not > > >> counting > > >>>> the > > >>>>>>> vote > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is > > >>> received. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own commits > > >>> and > > >>>>>> merge > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their best > > >>>>>> judgement > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing development > > >> plan.* > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the bylaws meant > > >> to > > >>>>> set. > > >>>>>> It > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the vote > > >>>>> objects, > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang <[hidden email] > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > >>>>> [hidden email]> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > > >>>> [hidden email] > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > > >>>>>>> [hidden email] > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert > > >>> Metzger > > >>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving this > > >>>>>> discussion > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to change > > >> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the wiki > > >> up > > >>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to the > > >>>> page > > >>>>>>> since > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this for > > >>>>>>> documenting > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the > > >>>> project > > >>>>>>> bylaws > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more > > >>>> smoothly. > > >>>>>>> Please > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC > > >>>>> members' > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 > > >>>> majority > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > |
Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws
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One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code without
asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely on maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and when to commit directly. For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple rename of internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely commit the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or introduce new flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly encouraged. I think the balance is needed for this. PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo as necessary. - Henry On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <[hidden email]> wrote: > +0 (binding) > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own changes. I > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer PRs as > that would encourage more participation in code review and ability to > contribute. > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > +1 (binding) > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > > > [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if anything to speed > up > > > the voting process. > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > – Ufuk > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > >>> > > > >>> Best, > > > >>> Jark > > > >>> > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> +1 (binding) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Best, > > > >>>> Kurt > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for those > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list would > not > > > >> be > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the description of > > this > > > >>>> action. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> [1] > > > >>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > > >>>>> Best > > > >>>>> Yun Tang > > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > > >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Best, > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > > >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Best Regards, > > > >>>>> Yu > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < > [hidden email]> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < > [hidden email] > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring this up > to > > > >>>> your > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the bylaws > > > >> wiki > > > >>>> this > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not > > > >> counting > > > >>>> the > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is > > > >>> received. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own > commits > > > >>> and > > > >>>>>> merge > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their best > > > >>>>>> judgement > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing development > > > >> plan.* > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the bylaws meant > > > >> to > > > >>>>> set. > > > >>>>>> It > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the vote > > > >>>>> objects, > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang <[hidden email] > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > > >>>>> [hidden email]> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > > > >>>> [hidden email] > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > > > >>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert > > > >>> Metzger > > > >>>> < > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving this > > > >>>>>> discussion > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to change > > > >> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the wiki > > > >> up > > > >>>> for > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to the > > > >>>> page > > > >>>>>>> since > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this for > > > >>>>>>> documenting > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the > > > >>>> project > > > >>>>>>> bylaws > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more > > > >>>> smoothly. > > > >>>>>>> Please > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC > > > >>>>> members' > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 > > > >>>> majority > > > >>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > |
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I see it somewhat similar to Henry.
Generally, all committers should go for a review by another committer, unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, even though being one of the committers that have been with the project longest. For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community that this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on trust with soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still revisit this in case we see that it does not work out. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra <[hidden email]> wrote: > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code without > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely on > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and when to > commit directly. > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple rename of > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely commit > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or introduce new > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly encouraged. > I think the balance is needed for this. > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo as > necessary. > > - Henry > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > +0 (binding) > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own changes. > I > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer PRs as > > that would encourage more participation in code review and ability to > > contribute. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > > > > [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if anything to speed > > up > > > > the voting process. > > > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > – Ufuk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Best, > > > > >>> Jark > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Best, > > > > >>>> Kurt > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for > those > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list would > > not > > > > >> be > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the description of > > > this > > > > >>>> action. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> [1] > > > > >>>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > > > >>>>> Best > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > > > >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Best, > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > > > >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, > > > > >>>>> Yu > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < > > [hidden email]> > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < > > [hidden email] > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring this up > > to > > > > >>>> your > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the bylaws > > > > >> wiki > > > > >>>> this > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not > > > > >> counting > > > > >>>> the > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is > > > > >>> received. > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own > > commits > > > > >>> and > > > > >>>>>> merge > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their > best > > > > >>>>>> judgement > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing development > > > > >> plan.* > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the bylaws > meant > > > > >> to > > > > >>>>> set. > > > > >>>>>> It > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the > vote > > > > >>>>> objects, > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < > [hidden email] > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > > > >>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > > > > >>>> [hidden email] > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > > > > >>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert > > > > >>> Metzger > > > > >>>> < > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving this > > > > >>>>>> discussion > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to change > > > > >> the > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the wiki > > > > >> up > > > > >>>> for > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to > the > > > > >>>> page > > > > >>>>>>> since > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this for > > > > >>>>>>> documenting > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the > > > > >>>> project > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more > > > > >>>> smoothly. > > > > >>>>>>> Please > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. PMC > > > > >>>>> members' > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 > > > > >>>> majority > > > > >>>>>> of > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Thomas, Henry and Stephan. I also think
the committers are supposed to be mature enough to know when a review on their own patch is needed. @Henry, just want to confirm, are you +1 on the proposed bylaws? Thanks, Jiangjie (Becket) Qin On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote: > I see it somewhat similar to Henry. > > Generally, all committers should go for a review by another committer, > unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, even > though being one of the committers that have been with the project longest. > > For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community that > this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on trust with > soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still revisit this > in case we see that it does not work out. > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code without > > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely on > > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and when to > > commit directly. > > > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple rename of > > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely commit > > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or introduce > new > > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly > encouraged. > > I think the balance is needed for this. > > > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo as > > necessary. > > > > - Henry > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > +0 (binding) > > > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own > changes. > > I > > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer PRs as > > > that would encourage more participation in code review and ability to > > > contribute. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler <[hidden email] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > > > > > [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if anything to > speed > > > up > > > > > the voting process. > > > > > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > – Ufuk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Best, > > > > > >>> Jark > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Best, > > > > > >>>> Kurt > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for > > those > > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list > would > > > not > > > > > >> be > > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the description > of > > > > this > > > > > >>>> action. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> [1] > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > > > > >>>>> Best > > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang > > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > > > > >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Best, > > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, > > > > > >>>>> Yu > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < > > > [hidden email] > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring this > up > > > to > > > > > >>>> your > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the > bylaws > > > > > >> wiki > > > > > >>>> this > > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not > > > > > >> counting > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is > > > > > >>> received. > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own > > > commits > > > > > >>> and > > > > > >>>>>> merge > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their > > best > > > > > >>>>>> judgement > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing development > > > > > >> plan.* > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the bylaws > > meant > > > > > >> to > > > > > >>>>> set. > > > > > >>>>>> It > > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the > > vote > > > > > >>>>> objects, > > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < > > [hidden email] > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> 于2019年8月13日周二 > > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > > > > >>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > > > > > >>>> [hidden email] > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > > > > > >>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert > > > > > >>> Metzger > > > > > >>>> < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving > this > > > > > >>>>>> discussion > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to > change > > > > > >> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the > wiki > > > > > >> up > > > > > >>>> for > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to > > the > > > > > >>>> page > > > > > >>>>>>> since > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this > for > > > > > >>>>>>> documenting > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the > > > > > >>>> project > > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more > > > > > >>>> smoothly. > > > > > >>>>>>> Please > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. > PMC > > > > > >>>>> members' > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 > > > > > >>>> majority > > > > > >>>>>> of > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws
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Oh yeah, +1 LGTM
Thanks for working on this. - Henry On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:17 AM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> wrote: > Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Thomas, Henry and Stephan. I also think > the committers are supposed to be mature enough to know when a review on > their own patch is needed. > > @Henry, just want to confirm, are you +1 on the proposed bylaws? > > Thanks, > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > I see it somewhat similar to Henry. > > > > Generally, all committers should go for a review by another committer, > > unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, even > > though being one of the committers that have been with the project > longest. > > > > For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community that > > this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on trust > with > > soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still revisit > this > > in case we see that it does not work out. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code without > > > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely on > > > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and when to > > > commit directly. > > > > > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple rename > of > > > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely > commit > > > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or introduce > > new > > > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly > > encouraged. > > > I think the balance is needed for this. > > > > > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo as > > > necessary. > > > > > > - Henry > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > > > +0 (binding) > > > > > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own > > changes. > > > I > > > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer PRs > as > > > > that would encourage more participation in code review and ability to > > > > contribute. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler < > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > > > > > > [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if anything to > > speed > > > > up > > > > > > the voting process. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > – Ufuk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Best, > > > > > > >>> Jark > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Best, > > > > > > >>>> Kurt > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <[hidden email]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for > > > those > > > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list > > would > > > > not > > > > > > >> be > > > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the > description > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > >>>> action. > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> [1] > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > > > > > >>>>> Best > > > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang > > > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > > > > > >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > > > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Best, > > > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, > > > > > > >>>>> Yu > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring > this > > up > > > > to > > > > > > >>>> your > > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the > > bylaws > > > > > > >> wiki > > > > > > >>>> this > > > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not > > > > > > >> counting > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is > > > > > > >>> received. > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own > > > > commits > > > > > > >>> and > > > > > > >>>>>> merge > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their > > > best > > > > > > >>>>>> judgement > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing > development > > > > > > >> plan.* > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the bylaws > > > meant > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > >>>>> set. > > > > > > >>>>>> It > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the > > > vote > > > > > > >>>>> objects, > > > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> > 于2019年8月13日周二 > > > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > > > > > >>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket > Qin < > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email] > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian > Michels < > > > > > > >>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert > > > > > > >>> Metzger > > > > > > >>>> < > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving > > this > > > > > > >>>>>> discussion > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to > > change > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert > Metzger < > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the > > wiki > > > > > > >> up > > > > > > >>>> for > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the > PMC? > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) > to > > > the > > > > > > >>>> page > > > > > > >>>>>>> since > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the > page. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo > Walther < > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this > > for > > > > > > >>>>>>> documenting > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha > Krettek: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on > the > > > > > > >>>> project > > > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more > > > > > > >>>> smoothly. > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. > > PMC > > > > > > >>>>> members' > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires > 2/3 > > > > > > >>>> majority > > > > > > >>>>>> of > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Hi All, so far the votes count as following:
+1 (Binding): 13 (Aljoscha, Fabian, Kurt, Till, Timo, Max, Stephan, Gordon, Robert, Ufuk, Chesnay, Shaoxuan, Henry) +0 (Binding): 1 (Thomas) +1 (Non-Binding): 10 (Hequn, Vino, Piotr, Dawid, Xintong, Yu, Jingsong, Yun, Jark, Biao) Given that more than 6 days have passed and there are not sufficient +1s to pass the vote. I am reaching out the the binding voters that have not voted yet here. @Greg, @Gyula, @Kostas, @Alan, @jincheng, @Marton, @Sebastian, @Vasiliki, @Daniel Would you have time to check the Flink bylaws proposal and vote on it? The bylaws wiki is following: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 We are following the 2/3 majority voting process. This is the first attempt of reaching out to the PMCs that have not voted yet. We will make another attempt after 7 days if the result of the vote is still not determined by then. Also CCing private@ in case one did not setup the Apache email forwarding. Thanks, Jiangjie (Becket) Qin On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:03 AM Henry Saputra <[hidden email]> wrote: > Oh yeah, +1 LGTM > > Thanks for working on this. > > - Henry > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:17 AM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Thomas, Henry and Stephan. I also think > > the committers are supposed to be mature enough to know when a review on > > their own patch is needed. > > > > @Henry, just want to confirm, are you +1 on the proposed bylaws? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > I see it somewhat similar to Henry. > > > > > > Generally, all committers should go for a review by another committer, > > > unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, even > > > though being one of the committers that have been with the project > > longest. > > > > > > For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community > that > > > this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on trust > > with > > > soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still revisit > > this > > > in case we see that it does not work out. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra < > [hidden email]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code > without > > > > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely on > > > > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and when > to > > > > commit directly. > > > > > > > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple > rename > > of > > > > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely > > commit > > > > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or > introduce > > > new > > > > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly > > > encouraged. > > > > I think the balance is needed for this. > > > > > > > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo as > > > > necessary. > > > > > > > > - Henry > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > +0 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own > > > changes. > > > > I > > > > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer > PRs > > as > > > > > that would encourage more participation in code review and ability > to > > > > > contribute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang <[hidden email] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler < > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > > > > > > > [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if anything to > > > speed > > > > > up > > > > > > > the voting process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > – Ufuk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <[hidden email] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Best, > > > > > > > >>> Jark > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <[hidden email] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Best, > > > > > > > >>>> Kurt > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang < > [hidden email]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, > for > > > > those > > > > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list > > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > >> be > > > > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the > > description > > > of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > >>>> action. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> [1] > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > > > > > > >>>>> Best > > > > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang > > > > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > > > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > > > > > > >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > > > > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Best, > > > > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, > > > > > > > >>>>> Yu > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring > > this > > > up > > > > > to > > > > > > > >>>> your > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the > > > bylaws > > > > > > > >> wiki > > > > > > > >>>> this > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval > (not > > > > > > > >> counting > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 > is > > > > > > > >>> received. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their > own > > > > > commits > > > > > > > >>> and > > > > > > > >>>>>> merge > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use > their > > > > best > > > > > > > >>>>>> judgement > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing > > development > > > > > > > >> plan.* > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the > bylaws > > > > meant > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > >>>>> set. > > > > > > > >>>>>> It > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted > the > > > > vote > > > > > > > >>>>> objects, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> > > 于2019年8月13日周二 > > > > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > > > > > > >>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket > > Qin < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email] > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian > > Michels < > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb > Robert > > > > > > > >>> Metzger > > > > > > > >>>> < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann > < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving > > > this > > > > > > > >>>>>> discussion > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to > > > change > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert > > Metzger < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the > > > wiki > > > > > > > >> up > > > > > > > >>>> for > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the > > PMC? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>> page > > > > > > > >>>>>>> since > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the > > page. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo > > Walther < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into > this > > > for > > > > > > > >>>>>>> documenting > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha > > Krettek: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on > > the > > > > > > > >>>> project > > > > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate > more > > > > > > > >>>> smoothly. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 > days. > > > PMC > > > > > > > >>>>> members' > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires > > 2/3 > > > > > > > >>>> majority > > > > > > > >>>>>> of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Becket Qin <[hidden email]>于2019年8月22日 周四16:22写道： > Hi All, so far the votes count as following: > > +1 (Binding): 13 (Aljoscha, Fabian, Kurt, Till, Timo, Max, Stephan, > Gordon, Robert, Ufuk, Chesnay, Shaoxuan, Henry) > +0 (Binding): 1 (Thomas) > > +1 (Non-Binding): 10 (Hequn, Vino, Piotr, Dawid, Xintong, Yu, Jingsong, > Yun, Jark, Biao) > > Given that more than 6 days have passed and there are not sufficient +1s > to pass the vote. I am reaching out the the binding voters that have not > voted yet here. > > > @Greg, @Gyula, @Kostas, @Alan, @jincheng, @Marton, @Sebastian, @Vasiliki, @Daniel > > Would you have time to check the Flink bylaws proposal and vote on it? The > bylaws wiki is following: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > We are following the 2/3 majority voting process. This is the first > attempt of reaching out to the PMCs that have not voted yet. We will make > another attempt after 7 days if the result of the vote is still not > determined by then. > > Also CCing private@ in case one did not setup the Apache email forwarding. > > Thanks, > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:03 AM Henry Saputra <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> Oh yeah, +1 LGTM >> >> Thanks for working on this. >> >> - Henry >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:17 AM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Thomas, Henry and Stephan. I also >> think >> > the committers are supposed to be mature enough to know when a review on >> > their own patch is needed. >> > >> > @Henry, just want to confirm, are you +1 on the proposed bylaws? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > >> > > I see it somewhat similar to Henry. >> > > >> > > Generally, all committers should go for a review by another committer, >> > > unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, >> even >> > > though being one of the committers that have been with the project >> > longest. >> > > >> > > For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community >> that >> > > this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on trust >> > with >> > > soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still revisit >> > this >> > > in case we see that it does not work out. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra < >> [hidden email]> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code >> without >> > > > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely on >> > > > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and when >> to >> > > > commit directly. >> > > > >> > > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple >> rename >> > of >> > > > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely >> > commit >> > > > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or >> introduce >> > > new >> > > > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly >> > > encouraged. >> > > > I think the balance is needed for this. >> > > > >> > > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo as >> > > > necessary. >> > > > >> > > > - Henry >> > > > >> > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > +0 (binding) >> > > > > >> > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own >> > > changes. >> > > > I >> > > > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer >> PRs >> > as >> > > > > that would encourage more participation in code review and >> ability to >> > > > > contribute. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang < >> [hidden email]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > +1 (binding) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler < >> > [hidden email] >> > > > >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > +1 (binding) >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc >> > > > > > > [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if anything >> to >> > > speed >> > > > > up >> > > > > > > the voting process. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: >> > > > > > > > +1 (binding) >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > – Ufuk >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu < >> [hidden email]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> Thanks, >> > > > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> >> > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> Best, >> > > > > > > >>> Jark >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young < >> [hidden email]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> Best, >> > > > > > > >>>> Kurt >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang < >> [hidden email]> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, >> for >> > > > those >> > > > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing >> list >> > > would >> > > > > not >> > > > > > > >> be >> > > > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the >> > description >> > > of >> > > > > > this >> > > > > > > >>>> action. >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> [1] >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best >> > > > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang >> > > > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ >> > > > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 >> > > > > > > >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. >> > > > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best, >> > > > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 >> > > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, >> > > > > > > >>>>> Yu >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < >> > > > > [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < >> > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < >> > > > > [hidden email] >> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring >> > this >> > > up >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > >>>> your >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the >> > > bylaws >> > > > > > > >> wiki >> > > > > > > >>>> this >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval >> (not >> > > > > > > >> counting >> > > > > > > >>>> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a >> -1 is >> > > > > > > >>> received. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their >> own >> > > > > commits >> > > > > > > >>> and >> > > > > > > >>>>>> merge >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use >> their >> > > > best >> > > > > > > >>>>>> judgement >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing >> > development >> > > > > > > >> plan.* >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the >> bylaws >> > > > meant >> > > > > > > >> to >> > > > > > > >>>>> set. >> > > > > > > >>>>>> It >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted >> the >> > > > vote >> > > > > > > >>>>> objects, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < >> > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < >> > > > [hidden email] >> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> >> > 于2019年8月13日周二 >> > > > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < >> > > > > > > >>>>> [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket >> > Qin < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < >> > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email] >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian >> > Michels < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> [hidden email] >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb >> Robert >> > > > > > > >>> Metzger >> > > > > > > >>>> < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till >> Rohrmann < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for >> driving >> > > this >> > > > > > > >>>>>> discussion >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to >> > > change >> > > > > > > >> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert >> > Metzger < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in >> the >> > > wiki >> > > > > > > >> up >> > > > > > > >>>> for >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the >> > PMC? >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very >> minor) >> > to >> > > > the >> > > > > > > >>>> page >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> since >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the >> > page. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo >> > Walther < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into >> this >> > > for >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> documenting >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha >> > Krettek: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread >> on >> > the >> > > > > > > >>>> project >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate >> more >> > > > > > > >>>> smoothly. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 >> days. >> > > PMC >> > > > > > > >>>>> members' >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote >> requires >> > 2/3 >> > > > > > > >>>> majority >> > > > > > > >>>>>> of >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > |
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 5:29 PM jincheng sun <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 > > Becket Qin <[hidden email]>于2019年8月22日 周四16:22写道： > > > Hi All, so far the votes count as following: > > > > +1 (Binding): 13 (Aljoscha, Fabian, Kurt, Till, Timo, Max, Stephan, > > Gordon, Robert, Ufuk, Chesnay, Shaoxuan, Henry) > > +0 (Binding): 1 (Thomas) > > > > +1 (Non-Binding): 10 (Hequn, Vino, Piotr, Dawid, Xintong, Yu, Jingsong, > > Yun, Jark, Biao) > > > > Given that more than 6 days have passed and there are not sufficient +1s > > to pass the vote. I am reaching out the the binding voters that have not > > voted yet here. > > > > > > @Greg, @Gyula, @Kostas, @Alan, @jincheng, @Marton, @Sebastian, > @Vasiliki, @Daniel > > > > Would you have time to check the Flink bylaws proposal and vote on it? > The > > bylaws wiki is following: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > We are following the 2/3 majority voting process. This is the first > > attempt of reaching out to the PMCs that have not voted yet. We will make > > another attempt after 7 days if the result of the vote is still not > > determined by then. > > > > Also CCing private@ in case one did not setup the Apache email > forwarding. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:03 AM Henry Saputra <[hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > >> Oh yeah, +1 LGTM > >> > >> Thanks for working on this. > >> > >> - Henry > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:17 AM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> > >> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Thomas, Henry and Stephan. I also > >> think > >> > the committers are supposed to be mature enough to know when a review > on > >> > their own patch is needed. > >> > > >> > @Henry, just want to confirm, are you +1 on the proposed bylaws? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >> > > >> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > I see it somewhat similar to Henry. > >> > > > >> > > Generally, all committers should go for a review by another > committer, > >> > > unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, > >> even > >> > > though being one of the committers that have been with the project > >> > longest. > >> > > > >> > > For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community > >> that > >> > > this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on > trust > >> > with > >> > > soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still > revisit > >> > this > >> > > in case we see that it does not work out. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra < > >> [hidden email]> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code > >> without > >> > > > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely > on > >> > > > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and > when > >> to > >> > > > commit directly. > >> > > > > >> > > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple > >> rename > >> > of > >> > > > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely > >> > commit > >> > > > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or > >> introduce > >> > > new > >> > > > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly > >> > > encouraged. > >> > > > I think the balance is needed for this. > >> > > > > >> > > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo > as > >> > > > necessary. > >> > > > > >> > > > - Henry > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <[hidden email]> > >> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > +0 (binding) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own > >> > > changes. > >> > > > I > >> > > > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer > >> PRs > >> > as > >> > > > > that would encourage more participation in code review and > >> ability to > >> > > > > contribute. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang < > >> [hidden email]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > +1 (binding) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler < > >> > [hidden email] > >> > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > +1 (binding) > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > >> > > > > > > [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if anything > >> to > >> > > speed > >> > > > > up > >> > > > > > > the voting process. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > >> > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > – Ufuk > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu < > >> [hidden email]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> Best, > >> > > > > > > >>> Jark > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young < > >> [hidden email]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Best, > >> > > > > > > >>>> Kurt > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang < > >> [hidden email]> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" > action, > >> for > >> > > > those > >> > > > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing > >> list > >> > > would > >> > > > > not > >> > > > > > > >> be > >> > > > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the > >> > description > >> > > of > >> > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > >>>> action. > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> [1] > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang > >> > > > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ > >> > > > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > >> > > > > > > >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > >> > > > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best, > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > >> > > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Yu > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < > >> > > > > [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > >> > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < > >> > > > > [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to > bring > >> > this > >> > > up > >> > > > > to > >> > > > > > > >>>> your > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to > the > >> > > bylaws > >> > > > > > > >> wiki > >> > > > > > > >>>> this > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval > >> (not > >> > > > > > > >> counting > >> > > > > > > >>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a > >> -1 is > >> > > > > > > >>> received. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their > >> own > >> > > > > commits > >> > > > > > > >>> and > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> merge > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use > >> their > >> > > > best > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> judgement > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing > >> > development > >> > > > > > > >> plan.* > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the > >> bylaws > >> > > > meant > >> > > > > > > >> to > >> > > > > > > >>>>> set. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> It > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have > casted > >> the > >> > > > vote > >> > > > > > > >>>>> objects, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > >> > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < > >> > > > [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> > >> > 于2019年8月13日周二 > >> > > > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > >> > > > > > > >>>>> [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. > @Becket > >> > Qin < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > >> > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian > >> > Michels < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb > >> Robert > >> > > > > > > >>> Metzger > >> > > > > > > >>>> < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till > >> Rohrmann < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for > >> driving > >> > > this > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> discussion > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket > Qin < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help > to > >> > > change > >> > > > > > > >> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert > >> > Metzger < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in > >> the > >> > > wiki > >> > > > > > > >> up > >> > > > > > > >>>> for > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to > the > >> > PMC? > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very > >> minor) > >> > to > >> > > > the > >> > > > > > > >>>> page > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> since > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the > >> > page. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo > >> > Walther < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into > >> this > >> > > for > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> documenting > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha > >> > Krettek: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket > Qin < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread > >> on > >> > the > >> > > > > > > >>>> project > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate > >> more > >> > > > > > > >>>> smoothly. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 > >> days. > >> > > PMC > >> > > > > > > >>>>> members' > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote > >> requires > >> > 2/3 > >> > > > > > > >>>> majority > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> of > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > |
Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws
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On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 11:40 AM Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote: > +1 > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 5:29 PM jincheng sun <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> +1 >> >> Becket Qin <[hidden email]>于2019年8月22日 周四16:22写道： >> >> > Hi All, so far the votes count as following: >> > >> > +1 (Binding): 13 (Aljoscha, Fabian, Kurt, Till, Timo, Max, Stephan, >> > Gordon, Robert, Ufuk, Chesnay, Shaoxuan, Henry) >> > +0 (Binding): 1 (Thomas) >> > >> > +1 (Non-Binding): 10 (Hequn, Vino, Piotr, Dawid, Xintong, Yu, Jingsong, >> > Yun, Jark, Biao) >> > >> > Given that more than 6 days have passed and there are not sufficient +1s >> > to pass the vote. I am reaching out the the binding voters that have not >> > voted yet here. >> > >> > >> > @Greg, @Gyula, @Kostas, @Alan, @jincheng, @Marton, @Sebastian, >> @Vasiliki, @Daniel >> > >> > Would you have time to check the Flink bylaws proposal and vote on it? >> The >> > bylaws wiki is following: >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 >> > >> > We are following the 2/3 majority voting process. This is the first >> > attempt of reaching out to the PMCs that have not voted yet. We will >> make >> > another attempt after 7 days if the result of the vote is still not >> > determined by then. >> > >> > Also CCing private@ in case one did not setup the Apache email >> forwarding. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:03 AM Henry Saputra <[hidden email]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Oh yeah, +1 LGTM >> >> >> >> Thanks for working on this. >> >> >> >> - Henry >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:17 AM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Thomas, Henry and Stephan. I also >> >> think >> >> > the committers are supposed to be mature enough to know when a >> review on >> >> > their own patch is needed. >> >> > >> >> > @Henry, just want to confirm, are you +1 on the proposed bylaws? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > >> >> > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > I see it somewhat similar to Henry. >> >> > > >> >> > > Generally, all committers should go for a review by another >> committer, >> >> > > unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, >> >> even >> >> > > though being one of the committers that have been with the project >> >> > longest. >> >> > > >> >> > > For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community >> >> that >> >> > > this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on >> trust >> >> > with >> >> > > soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still >> revisit >> >> > this >> >> > > in case we see that it does not work out. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra < >> >> [hidden email]> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code >> >> without >> >> > > > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely >> on >> >> > > > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and >> when >> >> to >> >> > > > commit directly. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple >> >> rename >> >> > of >> >> > > > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to >> safely >> >> > commit >> >> > > > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or >> >> introduce >> >> > > new >> >> > > > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly >> >> > > encouraged. >> >> > > > I think the balance is needed for this. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo >> as >> >> > > > necessary. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > - Henry >> >> > > > >> >> > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <[hidden email]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > +0 (binding) >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own >> >> > > changes. >> >> > > > I >> >> > > > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve >> committer >> >> PRs >> >> > as >> >> > > > > that would encourage more participation in code review and >> >> ability to >> >> > > > > contribute. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang < >> >> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > +1 (binding) >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler < >> >> > [hidden email] >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > +1 (binding) >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc >> >> > > > > > > [hidden email] when modifying bylaws, if >> anything >> >> to >> >> > > speed >> >> > > > > up >> >> > > > > > > the voting process. >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > +1 (binding) >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > – Ufuk >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu < >> >> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> Thanks, >> >> > > > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <[hidden email] >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) >> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> Best, >> >> > > > > > > >>> Jark >> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young < >> >> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) >> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>> Best, >> >> > > > > > > >>>> Kurt >> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang < >> >> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" >> action, >> >> for >> >> > > > those >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing >> >> list >> >> > > would >> >> > > > > not >> >> > > > > > > >> be >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the >> >> > description >> >> > > of >> >> > > > > > this >> >> > > > > > > >>>> action. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> [1] >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <[hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> To: dev <[hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <[hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <[hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Yu >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < >> >> > > > > [hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < >> >> > > > > > > >> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < >> >> > > > > [hidden email] >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to >> bring >> >> > this >> >> > > up >> >> > > > > to >> >> > > > > > > >>>> your >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to >> the >> >> > > bylaws >> >> > > > > > > >> wiki >> >> > > > > > > >>>> this >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy >> approval >> >> (not >> >> > > > > > > >> counting >> >> > > > > > > >>>> the >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a >> >> -1 is >> >> > > > > > > >>> received. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 >> their >> >> own >> >> > > > > commits >> >> > > > > > > >>> and >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> merge >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use >> >> their >> >> > > > best >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> judgement >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing >> >> > development >> >> > > > > > > >> plan.* >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the >> >> bylaws >> >> > > > meant >> >> > > > > > > >> to >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> set. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> It >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have >> casted >> >> the >> >> > > > vote >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> objects, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < >> >> > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < >> >> > > > [hidden email] >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <[hidden email]> >> >> > 于2019年8月13日周二 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. >> @Becket >> >> > Qin < >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < >> >> > > > > > > >>>> [hidden email] >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian >> >> > Michels < >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> [hidden email] >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb >> >> Robert >> >> > > > > > > >>> Metzger >> >> > > > > > > >>>> < >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]>: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till >> >> Rohrmann < >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for >> >> driving >> >> > > this >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> discussion >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket >> Qin < >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help >> to >> >> > > change >> >> > > > > > > >> the >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert >> >> > Metzger < >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in >> >> the >> >> > > wiki >> >> > > > > > > >> up >> >> > > > > > > >>>> for >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to >> the >> >> > PMC? >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very >> >> minor) >> >> > to >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > > > > >>>> page >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> since >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to >> the >> >> > page. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo >> >> > Walther < >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email] >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put >> into >> >> this >> >> > > for >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> documenting >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha >> >> > Krettek: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket >> Qin < >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting >> thread >> >> on >> >> > the >> >> > > > > > > >>>> project >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community >> coordinate >> >> more >> >> > > > > > > >>>> smoothly. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 >> >> days. >> >> > > PMC >> >> > > > > > > >>>>> members' >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote >> >> requires >> >> > 2/3 >> >> > > > > > > >>>> majority >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> of >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > |
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