[DISCUSS] Add a material web page under "https://flink.apache.org/"

[curcur]

Hey folks,

I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly in Chinese)
altogether for easier reference or search in the future.

Those materials mainly include:
- video records for live broadcasting of Flink related content.  For
example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks reinterpreted and
broadcasted in Chinese.
- regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are held twice every
month on average.
- write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.

Currently, those materials are published through the official Flink WeChat
account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish” information,
but very difficult to search or organize afterwards. Personally, I find
those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers not very
familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place easy-to-find
such materials is very important.

There are several options we can adopt, but specifically, these materials
are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink community, so
better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.

I was wondering how the English communities organize such materials? Can we
simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a subcategory? like
https://flink.apache.org/cn

Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!

Best

Yuan

[Robert Metzger]

Hey Yuan,

I like this idea lot!
As long as the material is non-commercial, and really for the purpose of
sharing knowledge and promoting Flink, it should be suitable for the Flink
website.
If we add such a page to Flink, it is important to keep it up to date. If I
remember correctly, we used to have such a page on the English website, but
we removed it, because it was not maintained.
I would propose to add such a page only to the Chinese version of the
website. I would only agree to an English version if somebody promises to
keep it up to date.

Best,
Robert

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly in Chinese)
> altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
>
> Those materials mainly include:
> - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related content.  For
> example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks reinterpreted and
> broadcasted in Chinese.
> - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are held twice every
> month on average.
> - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
>
> Currently, those materials are published through the official Flink WeChat
> account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish” information,
> but very difficult to search or organize afterwards. Personally, I find
> those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers not very
> familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place easy-to-find
> such materials is very important.
>
> There are several options we can adopt, but specifically, these materials
> are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink community, so
> better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
>
> I was wondering how the English communities organize such materials? Can we
> simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a subcategory? like
> https://flink.apache.org/cn
>
> Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
>
> Best
>
> Yuan
>

[curcur]

Thanks Robert!

I totally agree. There is a team specifically running to promote Flink
community in China, hence the concern of "up to date" won't be a problem.
Flink's public WeChat account is maintained by the team, so can the
webpage. They make sure the web page is in-sync.

Best
Yuan

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:23 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey Yuan,
>
> I like this idea lot!
> As long as the material is non-commercial, and really for the purpose of
> sharing knowledge and promoting Flink, it should be suitable for the Flink
> website.
> If we add such a page to Flink, it is important to keep it up to date. If I
> remember correctly, we used to have such a page on the English website, but
> we removed it, because it was not maintained.
> I would propose to add such a page only to the Chinese version of the
> website. I would only agree to an English version if somebody promises to
> keep it up to date.
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly in Chinese)
> > altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
> >
> > Those materials mainly include:
> > - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related content.  For
> > example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks reinterpreted and
> > broadcasted in Chinese.
> > - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are held twice
> every
> > month on average.
> > - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
> >
> > Currently, those materials are published through the official Flink
> WeChat
> > account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish”
> information,
> > but very difficult to search or organize afterwards. Personally, I find
> > those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers not very
> > familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place
> easy-to-find
> > such materials is very important.
> >
> > There are several options we can adopt, but specifically, these materials
> > are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink community, so
> > better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
> >
> > I was wondering how the English communities organize such materials? Can
> we
> > simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a subcategory? like
> > https://flink.apache.org/cn
> >
> > Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Yuan
> >
>

[Marta Paes Moreira]

Hi, Yuan!

Thanks for starting this discussion! It would be really good to make those
resources more prominent in the Flink website somehow.

You can find an example close to the idea you're bringing up in [1]. My
concern is that placing all resources in a page can be hard to maintain and
a bit overwhelming. For users, it also ends up being hard to pinpoint what
they are looking for if there is too much material.

Rather than trying to maintain such a page, I think it could be valuable to
rethink the "Use Cases" section of the website and incorporate some
relevant materials in association with the right context (e.g. industry,
use case), then point users to a different place where they can find more
(e.g. the Flink Forward playlist/Slideshare or other dedicated Flink
channel).

For blogposts, what we usually do is reach out to the authors of
blogposts that are relevant to the community, but posted elsewhere, and ask
to submit them to the Flink blog as well. Could this also be an option for
the Chinese version of the blog? As far as I see, for now it's just a
mirror of the English blog.

Marta

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Powered+by+Flink /
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Various+Presentations

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly in Chinese)
> altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
>
> Those materials mainly include:
> - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related content.  For
> example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks reinterpreted and
> broadcasted in Chinese.
> - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are held twice every
> month on average.
> - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
>
> Currently, those materials are published through the official Flink WeChat
> account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish” information,
> but very difficult to search or organize afterwards. Personally, I find
> those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers not very
> familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place easy-to-find
> such materials is very important.
>
> There are several options we can adopt, but specifically, these materials
> are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink community, so
> better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
>
> I was wondering how the English communities organize such materials? Can we
> simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a subcategory? like
> https://flink.apache.org/cn
>
> Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
>
> Best
>
> Yuan
>

[Fabian Hueske-2]

Hi everyone,

I like the idea of having a place to collect material (blogs, talk
recordings, slides) on Flink.
As Robert said, we had this before and dropped it at some point because the
content became stale.
Also I feel we would need something more dynamic than a static website
(like flink.apache.org) but something with search, tags, up/down votes.

What do you think about collecting content on an external site similar to
flink-packages.org.
Maybe flink-packages.org can be extended to also list content pieces or a
new page (flink-content.org/flink-materials.org/???) could be built.
This is of course significantly more work, but might pay off because it can
offer more interaction and we could also allow externals (i.e,
non-committers) to post new content.

What do you think?

Cheers, Fabian


Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 09:44 Uhr schrieb Marta Paes Moreira <
[hidden email]>:

> Hi, Yuan!
>
> Thanks for starting this discussion! It would be really good to make those
> resources more prominent in the Flink website somehow.
>
> You can find an example close to the idea you're bringing up in [1]. My
> concern is that placing all resources in a page can be hard to maintain and
> a bit overwhelming. For users, it also ends up being hard to pinpoint what
> they are looking for if there is too much material.
>
> Rather than trying to maintain such a page, I think it could be valuable to
> rethink the "Use Cases" section of the website and incorporate some
> relevant materials in association with the right context (e.g. industry,
> use case), then point users to a different place where they can find more
> (e.g. the Flink Forward playlist/Slideshare or other dedicated Flink
> channel).
>
> For blogposts, what we usually do is reach out to the authors of
> blogposts that are relevant to the community, but posted elsewhere, and ask
> to submit them to the Flink blog as well. Could this also be an option for
> the Chinese version of the blog? As far as I see, for now it's just a
> mirror of the English blog.
>
> Marta
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Powered+by+Flink /
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Various+Presentations
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly in Chinese)
> > altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
> >
> > Those materials mainly include:
> > - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related content.  For
> > example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks reinterpreted and
> > broadcasted in Chinese.
> > - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are held twice
> every
> > month on average.
> > - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
> >
> > Currently, those materials are published through the official Flink
> WeChat
> > account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish”
> information,
> > but very difficult to search or organize afterwards. Personally, I find
> > those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers not very
> > familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place
> easy-to-find
> > such materials is very important.
> >
> > There are several options we can adopt, but specifically, these materials
> > are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink community, so
> > better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
> >
> > I was wondering how the English communities organize such materials? Can
> we
> > simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a subcategory? like
> > https://flink.apache.org/cn
> >
> > Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Yuan
> >
>

[Robert Metzger]

Fabian's idea is definitely nice, if we find somebody who wants to develop
such a site :)

Marta has raised valid concerns. Maybe we could start by creating a Wiki
page, that nicely categorizes the different items.
I'm happy to prominently link the Wiki page from the "Powered By" and
Starting page.

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I like the idea of having a place to collect material (blogs, talk
> recordings, slides) on Flink.
> As Robert said, we had this before and dropped it at some point because the
> content became stale.
> Also I feel we would need something more dynamic than a static website
> (like flink.apache.org) but something with search, tags, up/down votes.
>
> What do you think about collecting content on an external site similar to
> flink-packages.org.
> Maybe flink-packages.org can be extended to also list content pieces or a
> new page (flink-content.org/flink-materials.org/???) could be built.
> This is of course significantly more work, but might pay off because it can
> offer more interaction and we could also allow externals (i.e,
> non-committers) to post new content.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Cheers, Fabian
>
>
> Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 09:44 Uhr schrieb Marta Paes Moreira <
> [hidden email]>:
>
> > Hi, Yuan!
> >
> > Thanks for starting this discussion! It would be really good to make
> those
> > resources more prominent in the Flink website somehow.
> >
> > You can find an example close to the idea you're bringing up in [1]. My
> > concern is that placing all resources in a page can be hard to maintain
> and
> > a bit overwhelming. For users, it also ends up being hard to pinpoint
> what
> > they are looking for if there is too much material.
> >
> > Rather than trying to maintain such a page, I think it could be valuable
> to
> > rethink the "Use Cases" section of the website and incorporate some
> > relevant materials in association with the right context (e.g. industry,
> > use case), then point users to a different place where they can find more
> > (e.g. the Flink Forward playlist/Slideshare or other dedicated Flink
> > channel).
> >
> > For blogposts, what we usually do is reach out to the authors of
> > blogposts that are relevant to the community, but posted elsewhere, and
> ask
> > to submit them to the Flink blog as well. Could this also be an option
> for
> > the Chinese version of the blog? As far as I see, for now it's just a
> > mirror of the English blog.
> >
> > Marta
> >
> > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Powered+by+Flink /
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Various+Presentations
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey folks,
> > >
> > > I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly in
> Chinese)
> > > altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
> > >
> > > Those materials mainly include:
> > > - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related content.  For
> > > example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks reinterpreted and
> > > broadcasted in Chinese.
> > > - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are held twice
> > every
> > > month on average.
> > > - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
> > >
> > > Currently, those materials are published through the official Flink
> > WeChat
> > > account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish”
> > information,
> > > but very difficult to search or organize afterwards. Personally, I find
> > > those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers not very
> > > familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place
> > easy-to-find
> > > such materials is very important.
> > >
> > > There are several options we can adopt, but specifically, these
> materials
> > > are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink community,
> so
> > > better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
> > >
> > > I was wondering how the English communities organize such materials?
> Can
> > we
> > > simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a subcategory?
> like
> > > https://flink.apache.org/cn
> > >
> > > Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Yuan
> > >
> >
>

[curcur]

Yep, Marta's concern is definitely a great point in terms of maintenance
costs.

What I would like to highlight is a place to collect scattered materials
`altogether` so that they are easy to search, tag, and update. In that
sense, I really like Fabian's idea.

It is even better if we could have some level of interaction so that people
can comment and give feedback to the author directly and ask questions
under those materials. We can even analyze what type of materials are more
popular based on feedback, and accordingly, we can adjust our promotion
strategy. I think these would be great complementation to what we can
achieve solely through mailing lists, slack, or stack overflow today.

I can ask whether the team running to promote the Flink community in China
can help to build such a site if appropriate. It should not be too
difficult if we do not intend to do fancy stuff :-).

What do you say?

Best

Yuan



On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:54 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Fabian's idea is definitely nice, if we find somebody who wants to develop
> such a site :)
>
> Marta has raised valid concerns. Maybe we could start by creating a Wiki
> page, that nicely categorizes the different items.
> I'm happy to prominently link the Wiki page from the "Powered By" and
> Starting page.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I like the idea of having a place to collect material (blogs, talk
> > recordings, slides) on Flink.
> > As Robert said, we had this before and dropped it at some point because
> the
> > content became stale.
> > Also I feel we would need something more dynamic than a static website
> > (like flink.apache.org) but something with search, tags, up/down votes.
> >
> > What do you think about collecting content on an external site similar to
> > flink-packages.org.
> > Maybe flink-packages.org can be extended to also list content pieces or
> a
> > new page (flink-content.org/flink-materials.org/???) could be built.
> > This is of course significantly more work, but might pay off because it
> can
> > offer more interaction and we could also allow externals (i.e,
> > non-committers) to post new content.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Cheers, Fabian
> >
> >
> > Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 09:44 Uhr schrieb Marta Paes Moreira <
> > [hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hi, Yuan!
> > >
> > > Thanks for starting this discussion! It would be really good to make
> > those
> > > resources more prominent in the Flink website somehow.
> > >
> > > You can find an example close to the idea you're bringing up in [1]. My
> > > concern is that placing all resources in a page can be hard to maintain
> > and
> > > a bit overwhelming. For users, it also ends up being hard to pinpoint
> > what
> > > they are looking for if there is too much material.
> > >
> > > Rather than trying to maintain such a page, I think it could be
> valuable
> > to
> > > rethink the "Use Cases" section of the website and incorporate some
> > > relevant materials in association with the right context (e.g.
> industry,
> > > use case), then point users to a different place where they can find
> more
> > > (e.g. the Flink Forward playlist/Slideshare or other dedicated Flink
> > > channel).
> > >
> > > For blogposts, what we usually do is reach out to the authors of
> > > blogposts that are relevant to the community, but posted elsewhere, and
> > ask
> > > to submit them to the Flink blog as well. Could this also be an option
> > for
> > > the Chinese version of the blog? As far as I see, for now it's just a
> > > mirror of the English blog.
> > >
> > > Marta
> > >
> > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Powered+by+Flink
> /
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Various+Presentations
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey folks,
> > > >
> > > > I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly in
> > Chinese)
> > > > altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
> > > >
> > > > Those materials mainly include:
> > > > - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related content.  For
> > > > example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks reinterpreted and
> > > > broadcasted in Chinese.
> > > > - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are held twice
> > > every
> > > > month on average.
> > > > - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
> > > >
> > > > Currently, those materials are published through the official Flink
> > > WeChat
> > > > account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish”
> > > information,
> > > > but very difficult to search or organize afterwards. Personally, I
> find
> > > > those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers not very
> > > > familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place
> > > easy-to-find
> > > > such materials is very important.
> > > >
> > > > There are several options we can adopt, but specifically, these
> > materials
> > > > are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink
> community,
> > so
> > > > better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering how the English communities organize such materials?
> > Can
> > > we
> > > > simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a subcategory?
> > like
> > > > https://flink.apache.org/cn
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > >
> > > > Yuan
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Till Rohrmann]

I think this is a very good idea. With a team committed to keep the site up
to date the main concern should also be resolved.

Cheers,
Till

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:25 PM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yep, Marta's concern is definitely a great point in terms of maintenance
> costs.
>
> What I would like to highlight is a place to collect scattered materials
> `altogether` so that they are easy to search, tag, and update. In that
> sense, I really like Fabian's idea.
>
> It is even better if we could have some level of interaction so that people
> can comment and give feedback to the author directly and ask questions
> under those materials. We can even analyze what type of materials are more
> popular based on feedback, and accordingly, we can adjust our promotion
> strategy. I think these would be great complementation to what we can
> achieve solely through mailing lists, slack, or stack overflow today.
>
> I can ask whether the team running to promote the Flink community in China
> can help to build such a site if appropriate. It should not be too
> difficult if we do not intend to do fancy stuff :-).
>
> What do you say?
>
> Best
>
> Yuan
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:54 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Fabian's idea is definitely nice, if we find somebody who wants to
> develop
> > such a site :)
> >
> > Marta has raised valid concerns. Maybe we could start by creating a Wiki
> > page, that nicely categorizes the different items.
> > I'm happy to prominently link the Wiki page from the "Powered By" and
> > Starting page.
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I like the idea of having a place to collect material (blogs, talk
> > > recordings, slides) on Flink.
> > > As Robert said, we had this before and dropped it at some point because
> > the
> > > content became stale.
> > > Also I feel we would need something more dynamic than a static website
> > > (like flink.apache.org) but something with search, tags, up/down
> votes.
> > >
> > > What do you think about collecting content on an external site similar
> to
> > > flink-packages.org.
> > > Maybe flink-packages.org can be extended to also list content pieces
> or
> > a
> > > new page (flink-content.org/flink-materials.org/???) could be built.
> > > This is of course significantly more work, but might pay off because it
> > can
> > > offer more interaction and we could also allow externals (i.e,
> > > non-committers) to post new content.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Cheers, Fabian
> > >
> > >
> > > Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 09:44 Uhr schrieb Marta Paes Moreira <
> > > [hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Hi, Yuan!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for starting this discussion! It would be really good to make
> > > those
> > > > resources more prominent in the Flink website somehow.
> > > >
> > > > You can find an example close to the idea you're bringing up in [1].
> My
> > > > concern is that placing all resources in a page can be hard to
> maintain
> > > and
> > > > a bit overwhelming. For users, it also ends up being hard to pinpoint
> > > what
> > > > they are looking for if there is too much material.
> > > >
> > > > Rather than trying to maintain such a page, I think it could be
> > valuable
> > > to
> > > > rethink the "Use Cases" section of the website and incorporate some
> > > > relevant materials in association with the right context (e.g.
> > industry,
> > > > use case), then point users to a different place where they can find
> > more
> > > > (e.g. the Flink Forward playlist/Slideshare or other dedicated Flink
> > > > channel).
> > > >
> > > > For blogposts, what we usually do is reach out to the authors of
> > > > blogposts that are relevant to the community, but posted elsewhere,
> and
> > > ask
> > > > to submit them to the Flink blog as well. Could this also be an
> option
> > > for
> > > > the Chinese version of the blog? As far as I see, for now it's just a
> > > > mirror of the English blog.
> > > >
> > > > Marta
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Powered+by+Flink
> > /
> > > >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Various+Presentations
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly in
> > > Chinese)
> > > > > altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those materials mainly include:
> > > > > - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related content.
> For
> > > > > example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks reinterpreted and
> > > > > broadcasted in Chinese.
> > > > > - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are held
> twice
> > > > every
> > > > > month on average.
> > > > > - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, those materials are published through the official Flink
> > > > WeChat
> > > > > account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish”
> > > > information,
> > > > > but very difficult to search or organize afterwards. Personally, I
> > find
> > > > > those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers not
> very
> > > > > familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place
> > > > easy-to-find
> > > > > such materials is very important.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are several options we can adopt, but specifically, these
> > > materials
> > > > > are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink
> > community,
> > > so
> > > > > better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was wondering how the English communities organize such
> materials?
> > > Can
> > > > we
> > > > > simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a subcategory?
> > > like
> > > > > https://flink.apache.org/cn
> > > > >
> > > > > Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
> > > > >
> > > > > Best
> > > > >
> > > > > Yuan
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[curcur]

Thanks, everyone for the feedback and suggestions!

I was thinking about whether to call the external site as "
flink-learning.org"?

If nobody disagrees upon this whole idea, we will start with a demo of the
least functionalities discussed
- several collections of learning materials (videos, ppts, blogs,
examples)  with search
- meets up and other activities publishing
- and so on.




On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:33 PM Till Rohrmann <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think this is a very good idea. With a team committed to keep the site up
> to date the main concern should also be resolved.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:25 PM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Yep, Marta's concern is definitely a great point in terms of maintenance
> > costs.
> >
> > What I would like to highlight is a place to collect scattered materials
> > `altogether` so that they are easy to search, tag, and update. In that
> > sense, I really like Fabian's idea.
> >
> > It is even better if we could have some level of interaction so that
> people
> > can comment and give feedback to the author directly and ask questions
> > under those materials. We can even analyze what type of materials are
> more
> > popular based on feedback, and accordingly, we can adjust our promotion
> > strategy. I think these would be great complementation to what we can
> > achieve solely through mailing lists, slack, or stack overflow today.
> >
> > I can ask whether the team running to promote the Flink community in
> China
> > can help to build such a site if appropriate. It should not be too
> > difficult if we do not intend to do fancy stuff :-).
> >
> > What do you say?
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Yuan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:54 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Fabian's idea is definitely nice, if we find somebody who wants to
> > develop
> > > such a site :)
> > >
> > > Marta has raised valid concerns. Maybe we could start by creating a
> Wiki
> > > page, that nicely categorizes the different items.
> > > I'm happy to prominently link the Wiki page from the "Powered By" and
> > > Starting page.
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I like the idea of having a place to collect material (blogs, talk
> > > > recordings, slides) on Flink.
> > > > As Robert said, we had this before and dropped it at some point
> because
> > > the
> > > > content became stale.
> > > > Also I feel we would need something more dynamic than a static
> website
> > > > (like flink.apache.org) but something with search, tags, up/down
> > votes.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think about collecting content on an external site
> similar
> > to
> > > > flink-packages.org.
> > > > Maybe flink-packages.org can be extended to also list content pieces
> > or
> > > a
> > > > new page (flink-content.org/flink-materials.org/???) could be built.
> > > > This is of course significantly more work, but might pay off because
> it
> > > can
> > > > offer more interaction and we could also allow externals (i.e,
> > > > non-committers) to post new content.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Fabian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 09:44 Uhr schrieb Marta Paes Moreira <
> > > > [hidden email]>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, Yuan!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for starting this discussion! It would be really good to
> make
> > > > those
> > > > > resources more prominent in the Flink website somehow.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can find an example close to the idea you're bringing up in
> [1].
> > My
> > > > > concern is that placing all resources in a page can be hard to
> > maintain
> > > > and
> > > > > a bit overwhelming. For users, it also ends up being hard to
> pinpoint
> > > > what
> > > > > they are looking for if there is too much material.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rather than trying to maintain such a page, I think it could be
> > > valuable
> > > > to
> > > > > rethink the "Use Cases" section of the website and incorporate some
> > > > > relevant materials in association with the right context (e.g.
> > > industry,
> > > > > use case), then point users to a different place where they can
> find
> > > more
> > > > > (e.g. the Flink Forward playlist/Slideshare or other dedicated
> Flink
> > > > > channel).
> > > > >
> > > > > For blogposts, what we usually do is reach out to the authors of
> > > > > blogposts that are relevant to the community, but posted elsewhere,
> > and
> > > > ask
> > > > > to submit them to the Flink blog as well. Could this also be an
> > option
> > > > for
> > > > > the Chinese version of the blog? As far as I see, for now it's
> just a
> > > > > mirror of the English blog.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marta
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Powered+by+Flink
> > > /
> > > > >
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Various+Presentations
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly in
> > > > Chinese)
> > > > > > altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those materials mainly include:
> > > > > > - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related content.
> > For
> > > > > > example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks reinterpreted
> and
> > > > > > broadcasted in Chinese.
> > > > > > - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are held
> > twice
> > > > > every
> > > > > > month on average.
> > > > > > - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Currently, those materials are published through the official
> Flink
> > > > > WeChat
> > > > > > account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish”
> > > > > information,
> > > > > > but very difficult to search or organize afterwards. Personally,
> I
> > > find
> > > > > > those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers not
> > very
> > > > > > familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place
> > > > > easy-to-find
> > > > > > such materials is very important.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are several options we can adopt, but specifically, these
> > > > materials
> > > > > > are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink
> > > community,
> > > > so
> > > > > > better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was wondering how the English communities organize such
> > materials?
> > > > Can
> > > > > we
> > > > > > simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a
> subcategory?
> > > > like
> > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/cn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yuan
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Becket Qin]

Hi Yuan,

Thanks for proposal. It would be very helpful to have a well organized
learning site for Flink usrs. I also like the idea and the name of
flink-learning.org. It looks symmetric with flink-package.org.

Thanks,

Jiangjie (Becket) Qin

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 1:09 PM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks, everyone for the feedback and suggestions!
>
> I was thinking about whether to call the external site as "
> flink-learning.org"?
>
> If nobody disagrees upon this whole idea, we will start with a demo of the
> least functionalities discussed
> - several collections of learning materials (videos, ppts, blogs,
> examples)  with search
> - meets up and other activities publishing
> - and so on.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:33 PM Till Rohrmann <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I think this is a very good idea. With a team committed to keep the site
> up
> > to date the main concern should also be resolved.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Till
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:25 PM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Yep, Marta's concern is definitely a great point in terms of
> maintenance
> > > costs.
> > >
> > > What I would like to highlight is a place to collect scattered
> materials
> > > `altogether` so that they are easy to search, tag, and update. In that
> > > sense, I really like Fabian's idea.
> > >
> > > It is even better if we could have some level of interaction so that
> > people
> > > can comment and give feedback to the author directly and ask questions
> > > under those materials. We can even analyze what type of materials are
> > more
> > > popular based on feedback, and accordingly, we can adjust our promotion
> > > strategy. I think these would be great complementation to what we can
> > > achieve solely through mailing lists, slack, or stack overflow today.
> > >
> > > I can ask whether the team running to promote the Flink community in
> > China
> > > can help to build such a site if appropriate. It should not be too
> > > difficult if we do not intend to do fancy stuff :-).
> > >
> > > What do you say?
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Yuan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:54 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Fabian's idea is definitely nice, if we find somebody who wants to
> > > develop
> > > > such a site :)
> > > >
> > > > Marta has raised valid concerns. Maybe we could start by creating a
> > Wiki
> > > > page, that nicely categorizes the different items.
> > > > I'm happy to prominently link the Wiki page from the "Powered By" and
> > > > Starting page.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I like the idea of having a place to collect material (blogs, talk
> > > > > recordings, slides) on Flink.
> > > > > As Robert said, we had this before and dropped it at some point
> > because
> > > > the
> > > > > content became stale.
> > > > > Also I feel we would need something more dynamic than a static
> > website
> > > > > (like flink.apache.org) but something with search, tags, up/down
> > > votes.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think about collecting content on an external site
> > similar
> > > to
> > > > > flink-packages.org.
> > > > > Maybe flink-packages.org can be extended to also list content
> pieces
> > > or
> > > > a
> > > > > new page (flink-content.org/flink-materials.org/???) could be
> built.
> > > > > This is of course significantly more work, but might pay off
> because
> > it
> > > > can
> > > > > offer more interaction and we could also allow externals (i.e,
> > > > > non-committers) to post new content.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers, Fabian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 09:44 Uhr schrieb Marta Paes Moreira <
> > > > > [hidden email]>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, Yuan!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for starting this discussion! It would be really good to
> > make
> > > > > those
> > > > > > resources more prominent in the Flink website somehow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can find an example close to the idea you're bringing up in
> > [1].
> > > My
> > > > > > concern is that placing all resources in a page can be hard to
> > > maintain
> > > > > and
> > > > > > a bit overwhelming. For users, it also ends up being hard to
> > pinpoint
> > > > > what
> > > > > > they are looking for if there is too much material.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rather than trying to maintain such a page, I think it could be
> > > > valuable
> > > > > to
> > > > > > rethink the "Use Cases" section of the website and incorporate
> some
> > > > > > relevant materials in association with the right context (e.g.
> > > > industry,
> > > > > > use case), then point users to a different place where they can
> > find
> > > > more
> > > > > > (e.g. the Flink Forward playlist/Slideshare or other dedicated
> > Flink
> > > > > > channel).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For blogposts, what we usually do is reach out to the authors of
> > > > > > blogposts that are relevant to the community, but posted
> elsewhere,
> > > and
> > > > > ask
> > > > > > to submit them to the Flink blog as well. Could this also be an
> > > option
> > > > > for
> > > > > > the Chinese version of the blog? As far as I see, for now it's
> > just a
> > > > > > mirror of the English blog.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marta
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Powered+by+Flink
> > > > /
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Various+Presentations
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly
> in
> > > > > Chinese)
> > > > > > > altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those materials mainly include:
> > > > > > > - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related content.
> > > For
> > > > > > > example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks reinterpreted
> > and
> > > > > > > broadcasted in Chinese.
> > > > > > > - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are held
> > > twice
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > month on average.
> > > > > > > - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Currently, those materials are published through the official
> > Flink
> > > > > > WeChat
> > > > > > > account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish”
> > > > > > information,
> > > > > > > but very difficult to search or organize afterwards.
> Personally,
> > I
> > > > find
> > > > > > > those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers
> not
> > > very
> > > > > > > familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place
> > > > > > easy-to-find
> > > > > > > such materials is very important.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are several options we can adopt, but specifically, these
> > > > > materials
> > > > > > > are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink
> > > > community,
> > > > > so
> > > > > > > better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was wondering how the English communities organize such
> > > materials?
> > > > > Can
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a
> > subcategory?
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/cn
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yuan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Robert Metzger]

Thanks for working on this!

As a side note: If we are going to use flink-learning.org, the owner of the
domain needs to request permission to use the Flink brand from the Flink
PMC. Feel free to reach out to me privately if you need help with this. I
have previously requested flink-packages.org from the PMC.

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 9:09 AM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Yuan,
>
> Thanks for proposal. It would be very helpful to have a well organized
> learning site for Flink usrs. I also like the idea and the name of
> flink-learning.org. It looks symmetric with flink-package.org.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 1:09 PM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, everyone for the feedback and suggestions!
> >
> > I was thinking about whether to call the external site as "
> > flink-learning.org"?
> >
> > If nobody disagrees upon this whole idea, we will start with a demo of
> the
> > least functionalities discussed
> > - several collections of learning materials (videos, ppts, blogs,
> > examples)  with search
> > - meets up and other activities publishing
> > - and so on.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:33 PM Till Rohrmann <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think this is a very good idea. With a team committed to keep the
> site
> > up
> > > to date the main concern should also be resolved.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Till
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:25 PM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yep, Marta's concern is definitely a great point in terms of
> > maintenance
> > > > costs.
> > > >
> > > > What I would like to highlight is a place to collect scattered
> > materials
> > > > `altogether` so that they are easy to search, tag, and update. In
> that
> > > > sense, I really like Fabian's idea.
> > > >
> > > > It is even better if we could have some level of interaction so that
> > > people
> > > > can comment and give feedback to the author directly and ask
> questions
> > > > under those materials. We can even analyze what type of materials are
> > > more
> > > > popular based on feedback, and accordingly, we can adjust our
> promotion
> > > > strategy. I think these would be great complementation to what we can
> > > > achieve solely through mailing lists, slack, or stack overflow today.
> > > >
> > > > I can ask whether the team running to promote the Flink community in
> > > China
> > > > can help to build such a site if appropriate. It should not be too
> > > > difficult if we do not intend to do fancy stuff :-).
> > > >
> > > > What do you say?
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > >
> > > > Yuan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:54 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Fabian's idea is definitely nice, if we find somebody who wants to
> > > > develop
> > > > > such a site :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Marta has raised valid concerns. Maybe we could start by creating a
> > > Wiki
> > > > > page, that nicely categorizes the different items.
> > > > > I'm happy to prominently link the Wiki page from the "Powered By"
> and
> > > > > Starting page.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like the idea of having a place to collect material (blogs,
> talk
> > > > > > recordings, slides) on Flink.
> > > > > > As Robert said, we had this before and dropped it at some point
> > > because
> > > > > the
> > > > > > content became stale.
> > > > > > Also I feel we would need something more dynamic than a static
> > > website
> > > > > > (like flink.apache.org) but something with search, tags, up/down
> > > > votes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think about collecting content on an external site
> > > similar
> > > > to
> > > > > > flink-packages.org.
> > > > > > Maybe flink-packages.org can be extended to also list content
> > pieces
> > > > or
> > > > > a
> > > > > > new page (flink-content.org/flink-materials.org/???) could be
> > built.
> > > > > > This is of course significantly more work, but might pay off
> > because
> > > it
> > > > > can
> > > > > > offer more interaction and we could also allow externals (i.e,
> > > > > > non-committers) to post new content.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers, Fabian
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 09:44 Uhr schrieb Marta Paes Moreira <
> > > > > > [hidden email]>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi, Yuan!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for starting this discussion! It would be really good to
> > > make
> > > > > > those
> > > > > > > resources more prominent in the Flink website somehow.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can find an example close to the idea you're bringing up in
> > > [1].
> > > > My
> > > > > > > concern is that placing all resources in a page can be hard to
> > > > maintain
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > a bit overwhelming. For users, it also ends up being hard to
> > > pinpoint
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > they are looking for if there is too much material.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rather than trying to maintain such a page, I think it could be
> > > > > valuable
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > rethink the "Use Cases" section of the website and incorporate
> > some
> > > > > > > relevant materials in association with the right context (e.g.
> > > > > industry,
> > > > > > > use case), then point users to a different place where they can
> > > find
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > (e.g. the Flink Forward playlist/Slideshare or other dedicated
> > > Flink
> > > > > > > channel).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For blogposts, what we usually do is reach out to the authors
> of
> > > > > > > blogposts that are relevant to the community, but posted
> > elsewhere,
> > > > and
> > > > > > ask
> > > > > > > to submit them to the Flink blog as well. Could this also be an
> > > > option
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > the Chinese version of the blog? As far as I see, for now it's
> > > just a
> > > > > > > mirror of the English blog.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Marta
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Powered+by+Flink
> > > > > /
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Various+Presentations
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am looking for a home to put and organize materials (mostly
> > in
> > > > > > Chinese)
> > > > > > > > altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Those materials mainly include:
> > > > > > > > - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related
> content.
> > > > For
> > > > > > > > example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks
> reinterpreted
> > > and
> > > > > > > > broadcasted in Chinese.
> > > > > > > > - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are
> held
> > > > twice
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > month on average.
> > > > > > > > - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Currently, those materials are published through the official
> > > Flink
> > > > > > > WeChat
> > > > > > > > account. The WeChat public account is a good way to “publish”
> > > > > > > information,
> > > > > > > > but very difficult to search or organize afterwards.
> > Personally,
> > > I
> > > > > find
> > > > > > > > those materials are particularly helpful to users/developers
> > not
> > > > very
> > > > > > > > familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a place
> > > > > > > easy-to-find
> > > > > > > > such materials is very important.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There are several options we can adopt, but specifically,
> these
> > > > > > materials
> > > > > > > > are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink
> > > > > community,
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was wondering how the English communities organize such
> > > > materials?
> > > > > > Can
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a
> > > subcategory?
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/cn
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yuan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Yu Li]

+1 (belated) for adding such a website with the name of flink-learning.org,
especially if we could have a (virtual) team to maintain and prevent it
from being stale.

Thanks for starting the discussion and driving this, Yuan!

Best Regards,
Yu


On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 15:22, Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks for working on this!
>
> As a side note: If we are going to use flink-learning.org, the owner of
> the
> domain needs to request permission to use the Flink brand from the Flink
> PMC. Feel free to reach out to me privately if you need help with this. I
> have previously requested flink-packages.org from the PMC.
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 9:09 AM Becket Qin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Yuan,
> >
> > Thanks for proposal. It would be very helpful to have a well organized
> > learning site for Flink usrs. I also like the idea and the name of
> > flink-learning.org. It looks symmetric with flink-package.org.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin
> >
> > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 1:09 PM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks, everyone for the feedback and suggestions!
> > >
> > > I was thinking about whether to call the external site as "
> > > flink-learning.org"?
> > >
> > > If nobody disagrees upon this whole idea, we will start with a demo of
> > the
> > > least functionalities discussed
> > > - several collections of learning materials (videos, ppts, blogs,
> > > examples)  with search
> > > - meets up and other activities publishing
> > > - and so on.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:33 PM Till Rohrmann <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think this is a very good idea. With a team committed to keep the
> > site
> > > up
> > > > to date the main concern should also be resolved.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Till
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:25 PM Yuan Mei <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yep, Marta's concern is definitely a great point in terms of
> > > maintenance
> > > > > costs.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I would like to highlight is a place to collect scattered
> > > materials
> > > > > `altogether` so that they are easy to search, tag, and update. In
> > that
> > > > > sense, I really like Fabian's idea.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is even better if we could have some level of interaction so
> that
> > > > people
> > > > > can comment and give feedback to the author directly and ask
> > questions
> > > > > under those materials. We can even analyze what type of materials
> are
> > > > more
> > > > > popular based on feedback, and accordingly, we can adjust our
> > promotion
> > > > > strategy. I think these would be great complementation to what we
> can
> > > > > achieve solely through mailing lists, slack, or stack overflow
> today.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can ask whether the team running to promote the Flink community
> in
> > > > China
> > > > > can help to build such a site if appropriate. It should not be too
> > > > > difficult if we do not intend to do fancy stuff :-).
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you say?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best
> > > > >
> > > > > Yuan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:54 PM Robert Metzger <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Fabian's idea is definitely nice, if we find somebody who wants
> to
> > > > > develop
> > > > > > such a site :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marta has raised valid concerns. Maybe we could start by
> creating a
> > > > Wiki
> > > > > > page, that nicely categorizes the different items.
> > > > > > I'm happy to prominently link the Wiki page from the "Powered By"
> > and
> > > > > > Starting page.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM Fabian Hueske <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I like the idea of having a place to collect material (blogs,
> > talk
> > > > > > > recordings, slides) on Flink.
> > > > > > > As Robert said, we had this before and dropped it at some point
> > > > because
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > content became stale.
> > > > > > > Also I feel we would need something more dynamic than a static
> > > > website
> > > > > > > (like flink.apache.org) but something with search, tags,
> up/down
> > > > > votes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you think about collecting content on an external site
> > > > similar
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > flink-packages.org.
> > > > > > > Maybe flink-packages.org can be extended to also list content
> > > pieces
> > > > > or
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > new page (flink-content.org/flink-materials.org/???) could be
> > > built.
> > > > > > > This is of course significantly more work, but might pay off
> > > because
> > > > it
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > offer more interaction and we could also allow externals (i.e,
> > > > > > > non-committers) to post new content.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers, Fabian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 09:44 Uhr schrieb Marta Paes Moreira <
> > > > > > > [hidden email]>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi, Yuan!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for starting this discussion! It would be really good
> to
> > > > make
> > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > resources more prominent in the Flink website somehow.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can find an example close to the idea you're bringing up
> in
> > > > [1].
> > > > > My
> > > > > > > > concern is that placing all resources in a page can be hard
> to
> > > > > maintain
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > a bit overwhelming. For users, it also ends up being hard to
> > > > pinpoint
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > they are looking for if there is too much material.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rather than trying to maintain such a page, I think it could
> be
> > > > > > valuable
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > rethink the "Use Cases" section of the website and
> incorporate
> > > some
> > > > > > > > relevant materials in association with the right context
> (e.g.
> > > > > > industry,
> > > > > > > > use case), then point users to a different place where they
> can
> > > > find
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > (e.g. the Flink Forward playlist/Slideshare or other
> dedicated
> > > > Flink
> > > > > > > > channel).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For blogposts, what we usually do is reach out to the authors
> > of
> > > > > > > > blogposts that are relevant to the community, but posted
> > > elsewhere,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > ask
> > > > > > > > to submit them to the Flink blog as well. Could this also be
> an
> > > > > option
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > the Chinese version of the blog? As far as I see, for now
> it's
> > > > just a
> > > > > > > > mirror of the English blog.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Marta
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Powered+by+Flink
> > > > > > /
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Various+Presentations
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:11 AM Yuan Mei <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hey folks,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I am looking for a home to put and organize materials
> (mostly
> > > in
> > > > > > > Chinese)
> > > > > > > > > altogether for easier reference or search in the future.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Those materials mainly include:
> > > > > > > > > - video records for live broadcasting of Flink related
> > content.
> > > > > For
> > > > > > > > > example, the set of selected Flink Forward talks
> > reinterpreted
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > broadcasted in Chinese.
> > > > > > > > > - regular meet up topics, minutes, and PPTs. Meet-ups are
> > held
> > > > > twice
> > > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > month on average.
> > > > > > > > > - write-ups/blogs to share user experiences e.t.c.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Currently, those materials are published through the
> official
> > > > Flink
> > > > > > > > WeChat
> > > > > > > > > account. The WeChat public account is a good way to
> “publish”
> > > > > > > > information,
> > > > > > > > > but very difficult to search or organize afterwards.
> > > Personally,
> > > > I
> > > > > > find
> > > > > > > > > those materials are particularly helpful to
> users/developers
> > > not
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > familiar with Flink, me, as an example. Hence finding a
> place
> > > > > > > > easy-to-find
> > > > > > > > > such materials is very important.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There are several options we can adopt, but specifically,
> > these
> > > > > > > materials
> > > > > > > > > are non-commercial stuff and purely for promoting the Flink
> > > > > > community,
> > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > better not be tagged with any commercial trademarks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was wondering how the English communities organize such
> > > > > materials?
> > > > > > > Can
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > simply put them under https://flink.apache.org/  as a
> > > > subcategory?
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/cn
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks ahead!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yuan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>