Re: Infrastructure setup

[Robert Metzger]

Regarding the wiki: In the past, we had access to the GitHub Wiki and it
was not really used (except for GSoC).

There is only one valid use-case I see for the wiki: We could consider
hosting the documentation in the a and generate the documentation on the
website from the wiki.
This way, we would make it super easy for users to contribute to our
website, and it would also be much easier to maintain the documentation for
developers.
Ideally, the Wiki would also use Markdown to make the import as simple as
possible.
It seems that INFRA is offering Confluence and Moinmoin as Wiki systems.
Both system really don't look (and feel) appealing to me.
There is also a lengthy discussion at Apache CouchDB about exactly the same
issue:
http://couchdb-development.1959287.n2.nabble.com/CouchDB-Wiki-Documentation-td4682935.html

Their discussion did not really come to an conclusion, but they are
currently hosting the documentation (outside ASF's infra?) here:
http://docs.couchdb.org/
The source for the documentation is located in the main source repository
of their project.
So contributors and users have to open pull requests / patches to
contribute to the documentation.

What do the others think?


Regarding Alan's other question: " Also, has someone added permissions for
flink committers to commit to flink’s SVN?"
I think our git repository is properly set up, since I'm able to push into
it.




On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Ted Dunning <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The Apache CMS is pretty easy for posting design proposals as well.
>  Supports mark-down.  Easy to write.  Easy to update.
>
> JIRA attachments work pretty well, also.
>
> But confluence was a complete mess for Mahout.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Henry Saputra <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > The main use of wiki I could think of that we may miss is to post
> > proposals or design discussions.
> > But we could use dev@ list and JIRA combo to do this.
> >
> > - Henry
> >
> > On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Sebastian Schelter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > In Mahout, we made very bad experiences with the wiki. Its superslow,
> > hard
> > > to overlook and people often abuse it to ask questions. I would suggest
> > to
> > > concentrate on the website and have users contribute content to the
> > website
> > > instead.
> > >
> > > --sebastian
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/10/2014 05:02 PM, Alan Gates wrote:
> > >
> > >> Sorry for my absence on helping with the infrastructure setup the last
> > >> couple of weeks.  The Hadoop summit and some duties at work took all
> my
> > >> time.  Thanks to Robert, Henry, and others for jumping in and getting
> > stuff
> > >> done.  According to my list the only piece of infrastructure not yet
> > setup
> > >> is the wiki.  Did you guys want a wiki?  Also, has someone added
> > >> permissions for flink committers to commit to flink’s SVN?  I don’t
> have
> > >> permission to add the permissions, but I can chase down someone and
> have
> > >> them do it.
> > >>
> > >> Alan.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

[Fabian Hueske]

I used the wiki at Github a few times for design proposals and sketches as
Ted said and found it quite convenient.
So I would be +1 for having a wiki. We can still decide how we want to use
it, right?

Fabian


2014-06-11 0:03 GMT+02:00 Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>:

> Regarding the wiki: In the past, we had access to the GitHub Wiki and it
> was not really used (except for GSoC).
>
> There is only one valid use-case I see for the wiki: We could consider
> hosting the documentation in the a and generate the documentation on the
> website from the wiki.
> This way, we would make it super easy for users to contribute to our
> website, and it would also be much easier to maintain the documentation for
> developers.
> Ideally, the Wiki would also use Markdown to make the import as simple as
> possible.
> It seems that INFRA is offering Confluence and Moinmoin as Wiki systems.
> Both system really don't look (and feel) appealing to me.
> There is also a lengthy discussion at Apache CouchDB about exactly the same
> issue:
>
> http://couchdb-development.1959287.n2.nabble.com/CouchDB-Wiki-Documentation-td4682935.html
>
> Their discussion did not really come to an conclusion, but they are
> currently hosting the documentation (outside ASF's infra?) here:
> http://docs.couchdb.org/
> The source for the documentation is located in the main source repository
> of their project.
> So contributors and users have to open pull requests / patches to
> contribute to the documentation.
>
> What do the others think?
>
>
> Regarding Alan's other question: " Also, has someone added permissions for
> flink committers to commit to flink’s SVN?"
> I think our git repository is properly set up, since I'm able to push into
> it.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Ted Dunning <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > The Apache CMS is pretty easy for posting design proposals as well.
> >  Supports mark-down.  Easy to write.  Easy to update.
> >
> > JIRA attachments work pretty well, also.
> >
> > But confluence was a complete mess for Mahout.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Henry Saputra <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The main use of wiki I could think of that we may miss is to post
> > > proposals or design discussions.
> > > But we could use dev@ list and JIRA combo to do this.
> > >
> > > - Henry
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Sebastian Schelter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > In Mahout, we made very bad experiences with the wiki. Its superslow,
> > > hard
> > > > to overlook and people often abuse it to ask questions. I would
> suggest
> > > to
> > > > concentrate on the website and have users contribute content to the
> > > website
> > > > instead.
> > > >
> > > > --sebastian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 06/10/2014 05:02 PM, Alan Gates wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Sorry for my absence on helping with the infrastructure setup the
> last
> > > >> couple of weeks.  The Hadoop summit and some duties at work took all
> > my
> > > >> time.  Thanks to Robert, Henry, and others for jumping in and
> getting
> > > stuff
> > > >> done.  According to my list the only piece of infrastructure not yet
> > > setup
> > > >> is the wiki.  Did you guys want a wiki?  Also, has someone added
> > > >> permissions for flink committers to commit to flink’s SVN?  I don’t
> > have
> > > >> permission to add the permissions, but I can chase down someone and
> > have
> > > >> them do it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Alan.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Henry Saputra]

Yep, we can ask for it and if we think it is not useful just asked to be
removed b4 graduation. :)

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014, Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I used the wiki at Github a few times for design proposals and sketches as
> Ted said and found it quite convenient.
> So I would be +1 for having a wiki. We can still decide how we want to use
> it, right?
>
> Fabian
>
>
> 2014-06-11 0:03 GMT+02:00 Robert Metzger <[hidden email]
> <javascript:;>>:
>
> > Regarding the wiki: In the past, we had access to the GitHub Wiki and it
> > was not really used (except for GSoC).
> >
> > There is only one valid use-case I see for the wiki: We could consider
> > hosting the documentation in the a and generate the documentation on the
> > website from the wiki.
> > This way, we would make it super easy for users to contribute to our
> > website, and it would also be much easier to maintain the documentation
> for
> > developers.
> > Ideally, the Wiki would also use Markdown to make the import as simple as
> > possible.
> > It seems that INFRA is offering Confluence and Moinmoin as Wiki systems.
> > Both system really don't look (and feel) appealing to me.
> > There is also a lengthy discussion at Apache CouchDB about exactly the
> same
> > issue:
> >
> >
> http://couchdb-development.1959287.n2.nabble.com/CouchDB-Wiki-Documentation-td4682935.html
> >
> > Their discussion did not really come to an conclusion, but they are
> > currently hosting the documentation (outside ASF's infra?) here:
> > http://docs.couchdb.org/
> > The source for the documentation is located in the main source repository
> > of their project.
> > So contributors and users have to open pull requests / patches to
> > contribute to the documentation.
> >
> > What do the others think?
> >
> >
> > Regarding Alan's other question: " Also, has someone added permissions
> for
> > flink committers to commit to flink’s SVN?"
> > I think our git repository is properly set up, since I'm able to push
> into
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Ted Dunning <[hidden email]
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The Apache CMS is pretty easy for posting design proposals as well.
> > >  Supports mark-down.  Easy to write.  Easy to update.
> > >
> > > JIRA attachments work pretty well, also.
> > >
> > > But confluence was a complete mess for Mahout.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Henry Saputra <
> [hidden email] <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The main use of wiki I could think of that we may miss is to post
> > > > proposals or design discussions.
> > > > But we could use dev@ list and JIRA combo to do this.
> > > >
> > > > - Henry
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Sebastian Schelter <[hidden email]
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > In Mahout, we made very bad experiences with the wiki. Its
> superslow,
> > > > hard
> > > > > to overlook and people often abuse it to ask questions. I would
> > suggest
> > > > to
> > > > > concentrate on the website and have users contribute content to the
> > > > website
> > > > > instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > --sebastian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 06/10/2014 05:02 PM, Alan Gates wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Sorry for my absence on helping with the infrastructure setup the
> > last
> > > > >> couple of weeks.  The Hadoop summit and some duties at work took
> all
> > > my
> > > > >> time.  Thanks to Robert, Henry, and others for jumping in and
> > getting
> > > > stuff
> > > > >> done.  According to my list the only piece of infrastructure not
> yet
> > > > setup
> > > > >> is the wiki.  Did you guys want a wiki?  Also, has someone added
> > > > >> permissions for flink committers to commit to flink’s SVN?  I
> don’t
> > > have
> > > > >> permission to add the permissions, but I can chase down someone
> and
> > > have
> > > > >> them do it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Alan.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>