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Ufuk Celebi-2

New project website

Hey all,

I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like to share the preview:

http://uce.github.io/flink-web/

I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at any time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current status quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.

– Ufuk

Chiwan Park

Re: New project website

Great! :)
+1 for this version.

Regards.
Chiwan Park (Sent with iPhone)

> On May 11, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like to share the preview:
>
> http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
>
> I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at any time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current status quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
>
> – Ufuk

Aljoscha Krettek-2

Re: New project website

+1

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Chiwan Park <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Great! :)
> +1 for this version.
>
> Regards.
> Chiwan Park (Sent with iPhone)
>
>
>
>> On May 11, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like to share the preview:
>>
>> http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
>>
>> I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at any time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current status quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
>>
>> – Ufuk
>

Robert Metzger

Re: New project website

In reply to this post by Ufuk Celebi-2

Amazing work!
The new site looks really good.
I like white websites more, they are easier to read.
Also, its great that you're putting the community on the front page. I hear
quite often that users like the good support they are getting from the
mailing lists. I personally experienced other open source communities which
didn't answer my questions on their list. I think that's not happening in
our community!
The blog posts with their dates on the front page show that the project is
very active.

Some detailed comments:
- The front page doesn't contain the word "batch" at all. People might be
confused
- why is the "Table API" so prominent on the front page? Other staging
projects like python or the hadoop compat don't get a mention at all.
- Do you think adding a very little "Beta" badge on the system stack at the
front page to the beta components would be a good idea? I think we should
manage the expectations there. ML, gelly and the table API are all not part
of any official stable release.
- The disqus comments are missing in the blog
- The frontpage link to the setup is broken:
http://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-master/setup/
- The codetabs.js file contains (and actually logs) "HERE" to the
javascript console of my browser. Looks like some leftover debugging code.
- codetabs.js also gets a "Uncaught ReferenceError: $ is not defined" on
the downloads page.
- I don't want to put the burden of fixing this onto alone (= I can help
you), but basically all links to the documentation in the blog are broken.
For example for the 0.9.0-m1 annoucements, the links to gelly and the table
api are broken. This issue is independent of this change, but still
annoying.
- The link to our twitter account could be more prominent. Maybe on the
front page?

.. I'll give feedback to the Feature page, once its done ;)

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like to
> share the preview:
>
> http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
>
> I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at any
> time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current status
> quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
>
> – Ufuk

Timo Walther-2

Re: New project website

In reply to this post by Chiwan Park

+1 This version looks much clearer and more professional.

Some comments:
- I would increase the font difference between headings and subheadings.
E.g. at http://uce.github.io/flink-web/features.html
- Quickstart is missing

On 11.05.2015 09:59, Chiwan Park wrote:

Vasiliki Kalavri

Re: New project website

In reply to this post by Robert Metzger

Hi,

+1 for white websites indeed :-)

Some comments from my side:

- The logo in the menu is quite disproportional in Chrome and looks
quite bad. I can send you a screenshot if you can't check. It looks good in
Safari.
- The stack image is a bit blurry and also quite confusing. It might
look like Gelly is built on top of Table API and ML on top of Gelly. Also,
I get why Table is both on top of DataSet and DataStream, but I would add
each component once and have a note "batch & streaming" instead of copying.
First time I saw this on some slides, I thought it was a mistake :/
- +1 for Community in the front page, but why not also keep the link in
the menu?

Cheers,
Vasia.

On 11 May 2015 at 10:20, Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Amazing work!
> The new site looks really good.
> I like white websites more, they are easier to read.
> Also, its great that you're putting the community on the front page. I hear
> quite often that users like the good support they are getting from the
> mailing lists. I personally experienced other open source communities which
> didn't answer my questions on their list. I think that's not happening in
> our community!
> The blog posts with their dates on the front page show that the project is
> very active.
>
> Some detailed comments:
> - The front page doesn't contain the word "batch" at all. People might be
> confused
> - why is the "Table API" so prominent on the front page? Other staging
> projects like python or the hadoop compat don't get a mention at all.
> - Do you think adding a very little "Beta" badge on the system stack at the
> front page to the beta components would be a good idea? I think we should
> manage the expectations there. ML, gelly and the table API are all not part
> of any official stable release.
> - The disqus comments are missing in the blog
> - The frontpage link to the setup is broken:
> http://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-master/setup/
> - The codetabs.js file contains (and actually logs) "HERE" to the
> javascript console of my browser. Looks like some leftover debugging code.
> - codetabs.js also gets a "Uncaught ReferenceError: $ is not defined" on
> the downloads page.
> - I don't want to put the burden of fixing this onto alone (= I can help
> you), but basically all links to the documentation in the blog are broken.
> For example for the 0.9.0-m1 annoucements, the links to gelly and the table
> api are broken. This issue is independent of this change, but still
> annoying.
> - The link to our twitter account could be more prominent. Maybe on the
> front page?
>
> .. I'll give feedback to the Feature page, once its done ;)
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like to
> > share the preview:
> >
> > http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
> >
> > I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at any
> > time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current
> status
> > quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
> >
> > – Ufuk
>

Fabian Hueske-2

Re: New project website

In reply to this post by Robert Metzger

Hi,

I like the new website a lot. Great Job Ufuk!
Here are some things that I notices while checking it out:

General:
- I find the text area a bit too wide for comfortable reading, especially
for long texts such as blog posts or the how to contribute guide.

Front page:
- Stack Figure: Don't stack libraries. It suggests that they depend on each
other. Can we put them vertical like on our slides?
- Links in latest blog posts not working
- The frontpage / first sentence does not make clear that Flink is also for
Batch (<- Same point Robert raised)
- I am always suspicious if someone says "real-time"
- Getting started does not link to the Quickstarts / Maven archetypes &
only shows Maven dependencies for Java API

Feature page:
- Data is not always "streamed all the way" in batch programs. There are
also dams.
- "You can use native Java and Scala data types without packing them into
key-value pairs, logical field addressing, and a wealth of operators." ->
Sentence can be misunderstood ("without packaging [...], logical field
addressing, and a wealth of operators")
- The usual question: Java or Scala code snippets

FAQ:
- I agree that some of the FAQs are outdated, but I guess more than two are
still relevant. We might think about adding more common questions that we
see on SO or the mailing lists.

Blog:
- Links in the right-side menu of the main blog pages are broken

Blog posts:
- Pictures in some blog posts are too large, IMO (Streaming, Hadoop, Join
post)

2015-05-11 10:20 GMT+02:00 Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>:

Ted Dunning

Re: New project website

In reply to this post by Ufuk Celebi-2

If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing that on
the home page.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]> wrote:

mxm

Re: New project website

+1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to merge
this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining issues and
add a twitter feed to the front page.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing that on
> the home page.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like to
> > share the preview:
> >
> > http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
> >
> > I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at any
> > time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current
> status
> > quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
> >
> > – Ufuk
>

Stephan Ewen

Re: New project website

I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated Queries", I
think that is trademarked by Microsoft.

Otherwise, +1

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels <[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to merge
> this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining issues and
> add a twitter feed to the front page.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing that
> on
> > the home page.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all,
> > >
> > > I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like
> to
> > > share the preview:
> > >
> > > http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
> > >
> > > I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at
> any
> > > time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current
> > status
> > > quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
> > >
> > > – Ufuk
> >
>

Hermann Gábor

Re: New project website

Great!
It looks way better than the current site :)

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated Queries", I
> think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
>
> Otherwise, +1
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to merge
> > this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining issues
> and
> > add a twitter feed to the front page.
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing
> that
> > on
> > > the home page.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > >
> > > > I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like
> > to
> > > > share the preview:
> > > >
> > > > http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
> > > >
> > > > I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at
> > any
> > > > time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current
> > > status
> > > > quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
> > > >
> > > > – Ufuk
> > >
> >
>

Felix Neutatz

Re: New project website

Hi Ufuk,

I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my opinion
your page design looks more like a documentation webpage than a starting
page.

In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you get a
really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you wanna dive in
deep, you can check out things in the documentation or/and wiki).

Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that there
aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/

This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about starting
pages.

Best regards,
Felix

2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor <[hidden email]>:

> Great!
> It looks way better than the current site :)
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated Queries", I
> > think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
> >
> > Otherwise, +1
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to
> merge
> > > this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining issues
> > and
> > > add a twitter feed to the front page.
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing
> > that
> > > on
> > > > the home page.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would
> like
> > > to
> > > > > share the preview:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates
> at
> > > any
> > > > > time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
> current
> > > > status
> > > > > quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
> > > > >
> > > > > – Ufuk
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Robert Metzger

Re: New project website

I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
documentation.
Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it on a
cluster or developers programming against APIs.
I think the new website will convince this target audience.

I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help visual
structure of the page. I think we "only" need to center the vertical
separator between the getting started and the blog/community section.
The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion....

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi Ufuk,
>
> I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my opinion
> your page design looks more like a documentation webpage than a starting
> page.
>
> In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you get a
> really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you wanna dive in
> deep, you can check out things in the documentation or/and wiki).
>
> Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that there
> aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
> http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
>
> This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about starting
> pages.
>
> Best regards,
> Felix
>
>
> 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Great!
> > It looks way better than the current site :)
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated Queries", I
> > > think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, +1
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to
> > merge
> > > > this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
> issues
> > > and
> > > > add a twitter feed to the front page.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning <[hidden email]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing
> > > that
> > > > on
> > > > > the home page.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > > > share the preview:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates
> > at
> > > > any
> > > > > > time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
> > current
> > > > > status
> > > > > > quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website
> today.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > – Ufuk
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Timo Walther-2

Re: New project website

I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
information targeted to the user group.

I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)

On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:

> I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
> documentation.
> Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it on a
> cluster or developers programming against APIs.
> I think the new website will convince this target audience.
>
> I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help visual
> structure of the page. I think we "only" need to center the vertical
> separator between the getting started and the blog/community section.
> The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion....
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ufuk,
>>
>> I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my opinion
>> your page design looks more like a documentation webpage than a starting
>> page.
>>
>> In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you get a
>> really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you wanna dive in
>> deep, you can check out things in the documentation or/and wiki).
>>
>> Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that there
>> aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
>> http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
>>
>> This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about starting
>> pages.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Felix
>>
>>
>> 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>> Great!
>>> It looks way better than the current site :)
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated Queries", I
>>>> think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise, +1
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to
>>> merge
>>>>> this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
>> issues
>>>> and
>>>>> add a twitter feed to the front page.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning <[hidden email]
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing
>>>> that
>>>>> on
>>>>>> the home page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would
>>> like
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> share the preview:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates
>>> at
>>>>> any
>>>>>>> time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
>>> current
>>>>>> status
>>>>>>> quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website
>> today.
>>>>>>> – Ufuk

Stephan Ewen

Re: New project website

I agree that we should have a "more serious content, less happy hipster"
website.

The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to pack
too much content into a small space.
For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it may
help to space things out a bit...

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical information
> targeted to the user group.
>
> I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
> smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
>
>
> On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
>
>> I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
>> documentation.
>> Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it on a
>> cluster or developers programming against APIs.
>> I think the new website will convince this target audience.
>>
>> I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help visual
>> structure of the page. I think we "only" need to center the vertical
>> separator between the getting started and the blog/community section.
>> The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion....
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ufuk,
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my opinion
>>> your page design looks more like a documentation webpage than a starting
>>> page.
>>>
>>> In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you get a
>>> really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you wanna dive in
>>> deep, you can check out things in the documentation or/and wiki).
>>>
>>> Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that there
>>> aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
>>> http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
>>>
>>> This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
>>> starting
>>> pages.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Felix
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>> It looks way better than the current site :)
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated Queries", I
>>>>> think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise, +1
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to
>>>>>>
>>>>> merge
>>>>
>>>>> this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
>>>>>>
>>>>> issues
>>>
>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> add a twitter feed to the front page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning <[hidden email]
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the home page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> like
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> share the preview:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at
>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> current
>>>>
>>>>> status
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> today.
>>>
>>>> – Ufuk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr.

AW: New project website

-1

Dear all,

first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.

However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a documentation than a front page.

I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find what it is about quickly in a concise way?
I believe that the landing page should give information about features in a "declarative way" (what, not how ;-) )
before going into details.

I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than the new design. To me the new design looks like
a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not like the starting page of the project.

Best,
Volker

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Stephan Ewen
Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
An: [hidden email]
Betreff: Re: New project website

I agree that we should have a "more serious content, less happy hipster"
website.

The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to pack too much content into a small space.
For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it may help to space things out a bit...

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
> information targeted to the user group.
>
> I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
> smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
>
>
> On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
>
>> I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
>> documentation.
>> Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it
>> on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
>> I think the new website will convince this target audience.
>>
>> I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
>> visual structure of the page. I think we "only" need to center the
>> vertical separator between the getting started and the blog/community section.
>> The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion....
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
>> <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ufuk,
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
>>> opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
>>> than a starting page.
>>>
>>> In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
>>> get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
>>> wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation or/and wiki).
>>>
>>> Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that
>>> there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
>>> http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
>>>
>>> This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
>>> starting pages.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Felix
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>> It looks way better than the current site :)
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated
>>>> Queries", I
>>>>> think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise, +1
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels
>>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest
>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>> merge
>>>>
>>>>> this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
>>>>>>
>>>>> issues
>>>
>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> add a twitter feed to the front page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning
>>>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend
>>>>>> framing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the home page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I reworked the project website the last couple of days and
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> like
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> share the preview:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental
>>>>>>>> updates
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at
>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> current
>>>>
>>>>> status
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> today.
>>>
>>>> – Ufuk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

Kostas Tzoumas-2

Re: New project website

Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.

Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One thing
we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
points would you like to see in the frontpage?

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> -1
>
> Dear all,
>
> first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.
>
> However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
> documentation than a front page.
>
> I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find what
> it is about quickly in a concise way?
> I believe that the landing page should give information about features in
> a "declarative way" (what, not how ;-) )
> before going into details.
>
> I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than the
> new design. To me the new design looks like
> a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not like
> the starting page of the project.
>
> Best,
> Volker
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von
> Stephan Ewen
> Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
> An: [hidden email]
> Betreff: Re: New project website
>
> I agree that we should have a "more serious content, less happy hipster"
> website.
>
> The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to pack
> too much content into a small space.
> For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it may
> help to space things out a bit...
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
> > information targeted to the user group.
> >
> > I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
> > smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
> >
> >
> > On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
> >
> >> I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
> >> documentation.
> >> Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it
> >> on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
> >> I think the new website will convince this target audience.
> >>
> >> I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
> >> visual structure of the page. I think we "only" need to center the
> >> vertical separator between the getting started and the blog/community
> section.
> >> The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion....
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
> >> <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Ufuk,
> >>>
> >>> I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
> >>> opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
> >>> than a starting page.
> >>>
> >>> In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
> >>> get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
> >>> wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation
> or/and wiki).
> >>>
> >>> Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that
> >>> there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
> >>> http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
> >>>
> >>> This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
> >>> starting pages.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Felix
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor <[hidden email]>:
> >>>
> >>> Great!
> >>>> It looks way better than the current site :)
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated
> >>>> Queries", I
> >>>>> think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Otherwise, +1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels
> >>>>> <[hidden email]>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> merge
> >>>>
> >>>>> this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> issues
> >>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> add a twitter feed to the front page.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning
> >>>>>> <[hidden email]
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend
> >>>>>> framing
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the home page.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I reworked the project website the last couple of days and
> >>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> like
> >>>>
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> share the preview:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental
> >>>>>>>> updates
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> at
> >>>>
> >>>>> any
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> current
> >>>>
> >>>>> status
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> today.
> >>>
> >>>> – Ufuk
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >
>

Stephan Ewen

Re: New project website

I think starting with Ufuk's draft, de-cluttering it is a good start.

- Having a more prominent tag line
- Add some pictures for features back
- align the content as per Felix' suggestion

That should give us a faster quick overview, but keep some serious content
in the starting page.

I especially like that we have the stack figure and the recent blog posts
on the new website - that we should keep no matter what.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.
>
> Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One thing
> we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
> points would you like to see in the frontpage?
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > -1
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.
> >
> > However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
> > documentation than a front page.
> >
> > I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find what
> > it is about quickly in a concise way?
> > I believe that the landing page should give information about features
> in
> > a "declarative way" (what, not how ;-) )
> > before going into details.
> >
> > I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than the
> > new design. To me the new design looks like
> > a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not like
> > the starting page of the project.
> >
> > Best,
> > Volker
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von
> > Stephan Ewen
> > Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
> > An: [hidden email]
> > Betreff: Re: New project website
> >
> > I agree that we should have a "more serious content, less happy hipster"
> > website.
> >
> > The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to pack
> > too much content into a small space.
> > For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it may
> > help to space things out a bit...
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
> > > information targeted to the user group.
> > >
> > > I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
> > > smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
> > >> documentation.
> > >> Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it
> > >> on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
> > >> I think the new website will convince this target audience.
> > >>
> > >> I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
> > >> visual structure of the page. I think we "only" need to center the
> > >> vertical separator between the getting started and the blog/community
> > section.
> > >> The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
> > >> <[hidden email]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Ufuk,
> > >>>
> > >>> I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
> > >>> opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
> > >>> than a starting page.
> > >>>
> > >>> In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
> > >>> get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
> > >>> wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation
> > or/and wiki).
> > >>>
> > >>> Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that
> > >>> there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
> > >>> http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
> > >>>
> > >>> This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
> > >>> starting pages.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best regards,
> > >>> Felix
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor <[hidden email]>:
> > >>>
> > >>> Great!
> > >>>> It looks way better than the current site :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated
> > >>>> Queries", I
> > >>>>> think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Otherwise, +1
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels
> > >>>>> <[hidden email]>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> merge
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> issues
> > >>>
> > >>>> and
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> add a twitter feed to the front page.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning
> > >>>>>> <[hidden email]
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend
> > >>>>>> framing
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> on
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the home page.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hey all,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I reworked the project website the last couple of days and
> > >>>>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> like
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> share the preview:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental
> > >>>>>>>> updates
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> at
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> any
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> current
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> status
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> today.
> > >>>
> > >>>> – Ufuk
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >
> >
>

aalexandrov

Re: New project website

I suggest to change the layout of the bottom half in the following way
(will solve the alignment issue):

- 2 column layout in 1:1 ratio for *Getting Started*, 1st column with the
text and the download button, second column with the maven code snippets
- 2 column layout in 1:1 ratio for the *Recent Blog Posts *and *Community*
below the *Getting Started* row. The first column should contain the latest
blog posts, the second the community content

In addition, I think the top row text to be slightly revised. Flink offers
a unified runtime and APIs for both batch + streaming, but at the moment
the tagline suggests it is streaming only.

Regards,
Alexander

2015-05-12 10:55 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]>:

> I think starting with Ufuk's draft, de-cluttering it is a good start.
>
> - Having a more prominent tag line
> - Add some pictures for features back
> - align the content as per Felix' suggestion
>
> That should give us a faster quick overview, but keep some serious content
> in the starting page.
>
> I especially like that we have the stack figure and the recent blog posts
> on the new website - that we should keep no matter what.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.
> >
> > Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One
> thing
> > we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
> > points would you like to see in the frontpage?
> >
> > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > -1
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.
> > >
> > > However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
> > > documentation than a front page.
> > >
> > > I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find
> what
> > > it is about quickly in a concise way?
> > > I believe that the landing page should give information about features
> > in
> > > a "declarative way" (what, not how ;-) )
> > > before going into details.
> > >
> > > I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than the
> > > new design. To me the new design looks like
> > > a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not
> like
> > > the starting page of the project.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Volker
> > >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag
> von
> > > Stephan Ewen
> > > Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
> > > An: [hidden email]
> > > Betreff: Re: New project website
> > >
> > > I agree that we should have a "more serious content, less happy
> hipster"
> > > website.
> > >
> > > The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to
> pack
> > > too much content into a small space.
> > > For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it
> may
> > > help to space things out a bit...
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
> > > > information targeted to the user group.
> > > >
> > > > I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
> > > > smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
> > > >> documentation.
> > > >> Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running
> it
> > > >> on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
> > > >> I think the new website will convince this target audience.
> > > >>
> > > >> I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
> > > >> visual structure of the page. I think we "only" need to center the
> > > >> vertical separator between the getting started and the
> blog/community
> > > section.
> > > >> The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion....
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
> > > >> <[hidden email]>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Ufuk,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
> > > >>> opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
> > > >>> than a starting page.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
> > > >>> get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
> > > >>> wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation
> > > or/and wiki).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that
> > > >>> there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
> > > >>> http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
> > > >>> starting pages.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Best regards,
> > > >>> Felix
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor <[hidden email]>:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Great!
> > > >>>> It looks way better than the current site :)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated
> > > >>>> Queries", I
> > > >>>>> think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Otherwise, +1
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels
> > > >>>>> <[hidden email]>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> merge
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> issues
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> and
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> add a twitter feed to the front page.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning
> > > >>>>>> <[hidden email]
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend
> > > >>>>>> framing
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> that
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> on
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> the home page.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hey all,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I reworked the project website the last couple of days and
> > > >>>>>>>> would
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> like
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> share the preview:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental
> > > >>>>>>>> updates
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> at
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> any
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> current
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> status
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> today.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> – Ufuk
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

aalexandrov

Re: New project website

PS. Is there a particular reason why the APIs are stacked above each other
in the picture (ML on top of Gelly on top of the Table API)? I was actually
picturing the three next to each other...

2015-05-12 12:08 GMT+02:00 Alexander Alexandrov <
[hidden email]>:

> I suggest to change the layout of the bottom half in the following way
> (will solve the alignment issue):
>
> - 2 column layout in 1:1 ratio for *Getting Started*, 1st column with the
> text and the download button, second column with the maven code snippets
> - 2 column layout in 1:1 ratio for the *Recent Blog Posts *and *Community*
> below the *Getting Started* row. The first column should contain the
> latest blog posts, the second the community content
>
> In addition, I think the top row text to be slightly revised. Flink offers
> a unified runtime and APIs for both batch + streaming, but at the moment
> the tagline suggests it is streaming only.
>
> Regards,
> Alexander
>
>
> 2015-05-12 10:55 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]>:
>
>> I think starting with Ufuk's draft, de-cluttering it is a good start.
>>
>> - Having a more prominent tag line
>> - Add some pictures for features back
>> - align the content as per Felix' suggestion
>>
>> That should give us a faster quick overview, but keep some serious content
>> in the starting page.
>>
>> I especially like that we have the stack figure and the recent blog posts
>> on the new website - that we should keep no matter what.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.
>> >
>> > Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One
>> thing
>> > we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
>> > points would you like to see in the frontpage?
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. <
>> > [hidden email]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > -1
>> > >
>> > > Dear all,
>> > >
>> > > first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.
>> > >
>> > > However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
>> > > documentation than a front page.
>> > >
>> > > I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find
>> what
>> > > it is about quickly in a concise way?
>> > > I believe that the landing page should give information about
>> features
>> > in
>> > > a "declarative way" (what, not how ;-) )
>> > > before going into details.
>> > >
>> > > I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than
>> the
>> > > new design. To me the new design looks like
>> > > a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not
>> like
>> > > the starting page of the project.
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > > Volker
>> > >
>> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> > > Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag
>> von
>> > > Stephan Ewen
>> > > Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
>> > > An: [hidden email]
>> > > Betreff: Re: New project website
>> > >
>> > > I agree that we should have a "more serious content, less happy
>> hipster"
>> > > website.
>> > >
>> > > The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to
>> pack
>> > > too much content into a small space.
>> > > For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it
>> may
>> > > help to space things out a bit...
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther <[hidden email]>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
>> > > > information targeted to the user group.
>> > > >
>> > > > I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
>> > > > smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
>> > > >> documentation.
>> > > >> Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running
>> it
>> > > >> on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
>> > > >> I think the new website will convince this target audience.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
>> > > >> visual structure of the page. I think we "only" need to center the
>> > > >> vertical separator between the getting started and the
>> blog/community
>> > > section.
>> > > >> The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion....
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
>> > > >> <[hidden email]>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Hi Ufuk,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
>> > > >>> opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
>> > > >>> than a starting page.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
>> > > >>> get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
>> > > >>> wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation
>> > > or/and wiki).
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure
>> that
>> > > >>> there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
>> > > >>> http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
>> > > >>> starting pages.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Best regards,
>> > > >>> Felix
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor <[hidden email]>:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Great!
>> > > >>>> It looks way better than the current site :)
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I think we may have to remove the term "Language Integrated
>> > > >>>> Queries", I
>> > > >>>>> think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Otherwise, +1
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels
>> > > >>>>> <[hidden email]>
>> > > >>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest
>> > > >>>>> to
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> merge
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>> issues
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> and
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> add a twitter feed to the front page.
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning
>> > > >>>>>> <[hidden email]
>> > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend
>> > > >>>>>> framing
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> that
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> on
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> the home page.
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi <[hidden email]>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Hey all,
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> I reworked the project website the last couple of days and
>> > > >>>>>>>> would
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> like
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> to
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> share the preview:
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental
>> > > >>>>>>>> updates
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> at
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> any
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> current
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> status
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> today.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> – Ufuk
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
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