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Hi squirrels,
I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon. -Matthias |
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I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part. Of
course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink is a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor. And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as references. Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia. It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we can discuss what should be included and what not. -Matthias On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote: > Thanks, Matthias, for starting this. > > It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere project > than Flink right now. > I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people: > > 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and when > looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is not > just that a name changed. > > 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project that > became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere project > (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of > Stratosphere. > > When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained that > were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the > optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed. > > 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that research > project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to that. > > > I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier for > people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not. > A system with so many features and so much different technology is bound to > be hard to grasp. > > The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink is, but > have little to do with what it is. > > > The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the following: > Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was > bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013. Ever > since, these two have been proceeding independently. > > I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that. Otherwise, > we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people. > > Greetings, > Stephan > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> Nice work indeed! >> >> - Henry >> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> Great! Nice start. :) >>> The logo is shown now. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chiwan Park >>> >>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax < >>>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi squirrels, >>>>> >>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia: >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink >>>>> >>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Matthias >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > |
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I agree with Kostas and don't see much danger that people get confused.
Nevertheless, I will update the history section accordingly. On 07/07/2015 04:48 PM, Kostas Tzoumas wrote: > I think it is clear to most people that the only official and (hopefully) > up-to-date description of an Apache project is its Apache website, and any > paper can get outdated. Perhaps we can change the link to a more up-to-date > paper when we have one. > > I like the article, thanks Matthias! > > Kostas > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Okay, I wrote a lot there >> >> tl:dr = Let's make sure people understand that the Stratosphere paper does >> not describe Flink. >> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Matthias J. Sax < >> [hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part. Of >>> course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink is >>> a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor. >>> >>> And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement >>> to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make >>> sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and >>> notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as >>> references. >>> >>> Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the >>> project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia. >>> It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we >>> can discuss what should be included and what not. >>> >>> >>> -Matthias >>> >>> >>> >>> On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote: >>>> Thanks, Matthias, for starting this. >>>> >>>> It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere >> project >>>> than Flink right now. >>>> I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people: >>>> >>>> 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and >> when >>>> looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is >> not >>>> just that a name changed. >>>> >>>> 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project >> that >>>> became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere >> project >>>> (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of >>>> Stratosphere. >>>> >>>> When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained >> that >>>> were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the >>>> optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed. >>>> >>>> 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that >>> research >>>> project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to >> that. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier for >>>> people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not. >>>> A system with so many features and so much different technology is >> bound >>> to >>>> be hard to grasp. >>>> >>>> The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink is, >>> but >>>> have little to do with what it is. >>>> >>>> >>>> The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the >>> following: >>>> Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was >>>> bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013. >> Ever >>>> since, these two have been proceeding independently. >>>> >>>> I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that. >> Otherwise, >>>> we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people. >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> Stephan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra < >> [hidden email]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nice work indeed! >>>>> >>>>> - Henry >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <[hidden email]> >>> wrote: >>>>>> Great! Nice start. :) >>>>>> The logo is shown now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Chiwan Park >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <[hidden email]> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax < >>>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi squirrels, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia: >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Matthias >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > |
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Well. It is not "my" article. It is on Wikipedia. Anyone can (and
should) improve it! On 07/07/2015 05:08 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote: > It was just a suggestion. > > @Matthias: You wrote the article, you decide. If you want to keep it, > that's fine! > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Matthias J. Sax < > [hidden email]> wrote: > >> I agree with Kostas and don't see much danger that people get confused. >> Nevertheless, I will update the history section accordingly. >> >> >> On 07/07/2015 04:48 PM, Kostas Tzoumas wrote: >>> I think it is clear to most people that the only official and (hopefully) >>> up-to-date description of an Apache project is its Apache website, and >> any >>> paper can get outdated. Perhaps we can change the link to a more >> up-to-date >>> paper when we have one. >>> >>> I like the article, thanks Matthias! >>> >>> Kostas >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Okay, I wrote a lot there >>>> >>>> tl:dr = Let's make sure people understand that the Stratosphere paper >> does >>>> not describe Flink. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Matthias J. Sax < >>>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part. >> Of >>>>> course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink >> is >>>>> a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor. >>>>> >>>>> And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement >>>>> to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make >>>>> sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and >>>>> notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as >>>>> references. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the >>>>> project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia. >>>>> It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we >>>>> can discuss what should be included and what not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Matthias >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote: >>>>>> Thanks, Matthias, for starting this. >>>>>> >>>>>> It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere >>>> project >>>>>> than Flink right now. >>>>>> I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and >>>> when >>>>>> looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is >>>> not >>>>>> just that a name changed. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project >>>> that >>>>>> became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere >>>> project >>>>>> (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of >>>>>> Stratosphere. >>>>>> >>>>>> When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained >>>> that >>>>>> were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the >>>>>> optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that >>>>> research >>>>>> project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to >>>> that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier >> for >>>>>> people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not. >>>>>> A system with so many features and so much different technology is >>>> bound >>>>> to >>>>>> be hard to grasp. >>>>>> >>>>>> The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink >> is, >>>>> but >>>>>> have little to do with what it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the >>>>> following: >>>>>> Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was >>>>>> bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013. >>>> Ever >>>>>> since, these two have been proceeding independently. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that. >>>> Otherwise, >>>>>> we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people. >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>> Stephan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra < >>>> [hidden email]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nice work indeed! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Henry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <[hidden email]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Great! Nice start. :) >>>>>>>> The logo is shown now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Chiwan Park >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <[hidden email]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax < >>>>>>>>> [hidden email]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi squirrels, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia: >>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Matthias >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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