[DISCUSS] Update our Roadmap

[Marta Paes Moreira]

I agree with Till — this would make more sense somewhere during the
kick-off of the release cycle.


On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:44 PM Till Rohrmann <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I don't think that a post-release step makes sense since the release
> manager of release X won't necessarily be involved in the high level
> planning of the release X+1.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Making the release managers responsible for keeping the roadmap up to
> date
> > sounds like a good idea to me!
> >
> > We could add this to the "Creating a Flink Release" Wiki page as a
> > post-release step.
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:15 AM Marta Paes Moreira <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for bringing this up, Robert.
> > >
> > > More than updating the roadmap, it would be valuable to discuss how to
> > make
> > > this update systematic. I took care of the last update back in
> September
> > > and - to be honest - the effort for someone who is not involved in
> > release
> > > planning (or at least for me) feels unnecessarily high.
> > >
> > > One way to ensure that the roadmap is kept fresh could be to make the
> > > update part of the release kick-off (for example, as part of the
> > > responsibilities of the release managers).
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Marta
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:35 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > > The roadmap has been updated last in September 2019. There is quite a
> > bit
> > > > of outdated information on that page.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a volunteer who wants to create a first draft for an updated
> > > > version?
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 12:14 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nice, thanks! Looking forward to the PR
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:08 AM Marta Paes Moreira <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hey, Robert.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Updating the roadmap is something I can work on (and also have on
> my
> > > > >> radar,
> > > > >> moving forward). Already had a quick word with Stephan and he's
> > > > available
> > > > >> to provide support, if needed.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Marta
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 4:46 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I could help with that.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:36 PM Robert Metzger <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Flink 1.9 is feature freezed and almost released.
> > > > >> > > I guess it makes sense to update the roadmap on the website
> > again.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Who feels like having a good overview of what's coming up?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 4:33 PM Fabian Hueske <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > Yes, that's a very good proposal Jark.
> > > > >> > > > +1
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Best, Fabian
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Am Mo., 6. Mai 2019 um 16:33 Uhr schrieb Till Rohrmann <
> > > > >> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > >> > > > >:
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > I think this is a good idea Jark. Putting the last update
> > date
> > > > on
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > > > roadmap would also force us to regularly update it.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >> > > > > Till
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:14 AM Jark Wu <[hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > One suggestion for the roadmap:
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Shall we add a `latest-update-time` to the top of
> Roadmap
> > > > page?
> > > > >> So
> > > > >> > > that
> > > > >> > > > > > users can know this is a up-to-date Roadmap.
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 04:49, Bowen Li <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > +1
> > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:41 PM jincheng sun <
> > > > >> > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > >> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi Jeff&Fabian,
> > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > I have open the PR about add Python Table API
> section
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > >> > > > > roadmap. I
> > > > >> > > > > > > > appreciate if you have time to look at it. :)
> > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/204
> > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > >> > > > > > > > Jincheng
> > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > jincheng sun <[hidden email]>
> 于2019年4月29日周一
> > > > >> > 下午11:12写道：
> > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sure, I will do it！I think the python table api
> info
> > > > >> should
> > > > >> > in
> > > > >> > > > the
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >  roadmap! Thank you @Jeff @Fabian
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>于2019年4月29日
> > > 周一23:05写道：
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Great, thanks Jeff and Timo!
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> @Jincheng do you want to write a paragraph about
> > the
> > > > >> Python
> > > > >> > > > effort
> > > > >> > > > > > and
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> open a PR for it?
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I'll remove the issue about Hadoop convenience
> > builds
> > > > >> > > > > (FLINK-11266).
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Best, Fabian
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Am Mo., 29. Apr. 2019 um 16:37 Uhr schrieb Jeff
> > > Zhang <
> > > > >> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >:
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> jincheng(cc) is driving the python effort, I
> think
> > > he
> > > > >> can
> > > > >> > > help
> > > > >> > > > to
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> prepare it.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]> 于2019年4月29日周一
> > > > >> 下午10:15写道：
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Hi everyone,
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Since we had no more comments on this thread, I
> > > think
> > > > >> we
> > > > >> > > > proceed
> > > > >> > > > > > to
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> update the roadmap.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> @Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]> I agree, we
> > should
> > > > add
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > > > Python
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> efforts to the roadmap.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Do you want to prepare a short paragraph that
> we
> > > can
> > > > >> add
> > > > >> > to
> > > > >> > > > the
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> document?
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Best, Fabian
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Am Mi., 17. Apr. 2019 um 15:04 Uhr schrieb Jeff
> > > > Zhang <
> > > > >> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> >:
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi Fabian,
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> One thing missing is python api and python
> udf,
> > we
> > > > >> > already
> > > > >> > > > > > > discussed
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> it in
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> community, and it is very close to reach
> > > consensus.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> 于2019年4月17日周三
> > > > >> > 下午7:51写道：
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Hi everyone,
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > We recently added a roadmap to our project
> > > website
> > > > >> [1]
> > > > >> > > and
> > > > >> > > > > > > decided
> > > > >> > > > > > > > to
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > update it after every release. Flink 1.8.0
> was
> > > > >> > released a
> > > > >> > > > few
> > > > >> > > > > > > days
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> ago, so
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > I think it we should check and remove from
> the
> > > > >> roadmap
> > > > >> > > what
> > > > >> > > > > was
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> achieved so
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > far and add features / improvements that we
> > plan
> > > > for
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > > > > > future.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > I had a look at the roadmap and found that
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > We are changing the build setup to not
> > bundle
> > > > >> Hadoop
> > > > >> > by
> > > > >> > > > > > > default,
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> but
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > rather offer pre-packaged
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Hadoop libraries for the use with Yarn,
> > HDFS,
> > > > >> etc. as
> > > > >> > > > > > > convenience
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > downloads FLINK-11266 <
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-11266
> > > >.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > was implemented for 1.8.0 and should be
> > removed
> > > > from
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > > > > > roadmap.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > All other issues are still ongoing efforts.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Are there any other efforts that we want to
> > put
> > > on
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > > > roadmap?
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Best, Fabian
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> --
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jeff Zhang
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> --
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Best Regards
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Jeff Zhang
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Till Rohrmann]

Maybe we could say that the new release manager will do this (or at least
make sure that updating the roadmap will happen). The community usually
tries to find a release manager at the beginning of the release cycle.

Cheers,
Till

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 5:42 PM Marta Paes Moreira <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I agree with Till — this would make more sense somewhere during the
> kick-off of the release cycle.
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:44 PM Till Rohrmann <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I don't think that a post-release step makes sense since the release
> > manager of release X won't necessarily be involved in the high level
> > planning of the release X+1.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Till
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Making the release managers responsible for keeping the roadmap up to
> > date
> > > sounds like a good idea to me!
> > >
> > > We could add this to the "Creating a Flink Release" Wiki page as a
> > > post-release step.
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:15 AM Marta Paes Moreira <
> [hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for bringing this up, Robert.
> > > >
> > > > More than updating the roadmap, it would be valuable to discuss how
> to
> > > make
> > > > this update systematic. I took care of the last update back in
> > September
> > > > and - to be honest - the effort for someone who is not involved in
> > > release
> > > > planning (or at least for me) feels unnecessarily high.
> > > >
> > > > One way to ensure that the roadmap is kept fresh could be to make the
> > > > update part of the release kick-off (for example, as part of the
> > > > responsibilities of the release managers).
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > Marta
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:35 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > The roadmap has been updated last in September 2019. There is
> quite a
> > > bit
> > > > > of outdated information on that page.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a volunteer who wants to create a first draft for an
> updated
> > > > > version?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 12:14 PM Robert Metzger <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Nice, thanks! Looking forward to the PR
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:08 AM Marta Paes Moreira <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Hey, Robert.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Updating the roadmap is something I can work on (and also have
> on
> > my
> > > > > >> radar,
> > > > > >> moving forward). Already had a quick word with Stephan and he's
> > > > > available
> > > > > >> to provide support, if needed.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Marta
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 4:46 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > I could help with that.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:36 PM Robert Metzger <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >
> > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > Flink 1.9 is feature freezed and almost released.
> > > > > >> > > I guess it makes sense to update the roadmap on the website
> > > again.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Who feels like having a good overview of what's coming up?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 4:33 PM Fabian Hueske <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > Yes, that's a very good proposal Jark.
> > > > > >> > > > +1
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Best, Fabian
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Am Mo., 6. Mai 2019 um 16:33 Uhr schrieb Till Rohrmann <
> > > > > >> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >> > > > >:
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > I think this is a good idea Jark. Putting the last
> update
> > > date
> > > > > on
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> > > > > roadmap would also force us to regularly update it.
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >> > > > > Till
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:14 AM Jark Wu <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > One suggestion for the roadmap:
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > Shall we add a `latest-update-time` to the top of
> > Roadmap
> > > > > page?
> > > > > >> So
> > > > > >> > > that
> > > > > >> > > > > > users can know this is a up-to-date Roadmap.
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 04:49, Bowen Li <
> > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > +1
> > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:41 PM jincheng sun <
> > > > > >> > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi Jeff&Fabian,
> > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have open the PR about add Python Table API
> > section
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> > > > > roadmap. I
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > appreciate if you have time to look at it. :)
> > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/204
> > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jincheng
> > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > jincheng sun <[hidden email]>
> > 于2019年4月29日周一
> > > > > >> > 下午11:12写道：
> > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sure, I will do it！I think the python table api
> > info
> > > > > >> should
> > > > > >> > in
> > > > > >> > > > the
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >  roadmap! Thank you @Jeff @Fabian
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>于2019年4月29日
> > > > 周一23:05写道：
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Great, thanks Jeff and Timo!
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> @Jincheng do you want to write a paragraph
> about
> > > the
> > > > > >> Python
> > > > > >> > > > effort
> > > > > >> > > > > > and
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> open a PR for it?
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I'll remove the issue about Hadoop convenience
> > > builds
> > > > > >> > > > > (FLINK-11266).
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Best, Fabian
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Am Mo., 29. Apr. 2019 um 16:37 Uhr schrieb Jeff
> > > > Zhang <
> > > > > >> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> jincheng(cc) is driving the python effort, I
> > think
> > > > he
> > > > > >> can
> > > > > >> > > help
> > > > > >> > > > to
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> prepare it.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> 于2019年4月29日周一
> > > > > >> 下午10:15写道：
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Hi everyone,
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Since we had no more comments on this
> thread, I
> > > > think
> > > > > >> we
> > > > > >> > > > proceed
> > > > > >> > > > > > to
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> update the roadmap.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> @Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]> I agree, we
> > > should
> > > > > add
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> > > > > Python
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> efforts to the roadmap.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Do you want to prepare a short paragraph that
> > we
> > > > can
> > > > > >> add
> > > > > >> > to
> > > > > >> > > > the
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> document?
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Best, Fabian
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Am Mi., 17. Apr. 2019 um 15:04 Uhr schrieb
> Jeff
> > > > > Zhang <
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> >:
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi Fabian,
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> One thing missing is python api and python
> > udf,
> > > we
> > > > > >> > already
> > > > > >> > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> it in
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> community, and it is very close to reach
> > > > consensus.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> > 于2019年4月17日周三
> > > > > >> > 下午7:51写道：
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Hi everyone,
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > We recently added a roadmap to our project
> > > > website
> > > > > >> [1]
> > > > > >> > > and
> > > > > >> > > > > > > decided
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > update it after every release. Flink 1.8.0
> > was
> > > > > >> > released a
> > > > > >> > > > few
> > > > > >> > > > > > > days
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> ago, so
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > I think it we should check and remove from
> > the
> > > > > >> roadmap
> > > > > >> > > what
> > > > > >> > > > > was
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> achieved so
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > far and add features / improvements that
> we
> > > plan
> > > > > for
> > > > > >> > the
> > > > > >> > > > > > future.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > I had a look at the roadmap and found that
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > We are changing the build setup to not
> > > bundle
> > > > > >> Hadoop
> > > > > >> > by
> > > > > >> > > > > > > default,
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> but
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > rather offer pre-packaged
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Hadoop libraries for the use with Yarn,
> > > HDFS,
> > > > > >> etc. as
> > > > > >> > > > > > > convenience
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > downloads FLINK-11266 <
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-11266
> > > > >.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > was implemented for 1.8.0 and should be
> > > removed
> > > > > from
> > > > > >> > the
> > > > > >> > > > > > roadmap.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > All other issues are still ongoing
> efforts.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Are there any other efforts that we want
> to
> > > put
> > > > on
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> > > > > roadmap?
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Best, Fabian
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> --
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jeff Zhang
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> --
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Best Regards
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Jeff Zhang
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Robert Metzger]

+1 for making the release manager responsible for the roadmap update to
happen!

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 11:31 AM Till Rohrmann <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Maybe we could say that the new release manager will do this (or at least
> make sure that updating the roadmap will happen). The community usually
> tries to find a release manager at the beginning of the release cycle.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 5:42 PM Marta Paes Moreira <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I agree with Till — this would make more sense somewhere during the
> > kick-off of the release cycle.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:44 PM Till Rohrmann <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think that a post-release step makes sense since the release
> > > manager of release X won't necessarily be involved in the high level
> > > planning of the release X+1.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Till
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:01 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Making the release managers responsible for keeping the roadmap up to
> > > date
> > > > sounds like a good idea to me!
> > > >
> > > > We could add this to the "Creating a Flink Release" Wiki page as a
> > > > post-release step.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:15 AM Marta Paes Moreira <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks for bringing this up, Robert.
> > > > >
> > > > > More than updating the roadmap, it would be valuable to discuss how
> > to
> > > > make
> > > > > this update systematic. I took care of the last update back in
> > > September
> > > > > and - to be honest - the effort for someone who is not involved in
> > > > release
> > > > > planning (or at least for me) feels unnecessarily high.
> > > > >
> > > > > One way to ensure that the roadmap is kept fresh could be to make
> the
> > > > > update part of the release kick-off (for example, as part of the
> > > > > responsibilities of the release managers).
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Marta
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:35 PM Robert Metzger <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > > The roadmap has been updated last in September 2019. There is
> > quite a
> > > > bit
> > > > > > of outdated information on that page.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a volunteer who wants to create a first draft for an
> > updated
> > > > > > version?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 12:14 PM Robert Metzger <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nice, thanks! Looking forward to the PR
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:08 AM Marta Paes Moreira <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Hey, Robert.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Updating the roadmap is something I can work on (and also have
> > on
> > > my
> > > > > > >> radar,
> > > > > > >> moving forward). Already had a quick word with Stephan and
> he's
> > > > > > available
> > > > > > >> to provide support, if needed.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Marta
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 4:46 PM Stephan Ewen <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I could help with that.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:36 PM Robert Metzger <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > Flink 1.9 is feature freezed and almost released.
> > > > > > >> > > I guess it makes sense to update the roadmap on the
> website
> > > > again.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Who feels like having a good overview of what's coming up?
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 4:33 PM Fabian Hueske <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > Yes, that's a very good proposal Jark.
> > > > > > >> > > > +1
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > Best, Fabian
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > Am Mo., 6. Mai 2019 um 16:33 Uhr schrieb Till Rohrmann <
> > > > > > >> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >> > > > >:
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > I think this is a good idea Jark. Putting the last
> > update
> > > > date
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> > > > > roadmap would also force us to regularly update it.
> > > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >> > > > > Till
> > > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 4:14 AM Jark Wu <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > One suggestion for the roadmap:
> > > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > Shall we add a `latest-update-time` to the top of
> > > Roadmap
> > > > > > page?
> > > > > > >> So
> > > > > > >> > > that
> > > > > > >> > > > > > users can know this is a up-to-date Roadmap.
> > > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, 2 May 2019 at 04:49, Bowen Li <
> > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:41 PM jincheng sun <
> > > > > > >> > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi Jeff&Fabian,
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have open the PR about add Python Table API
> > > section
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >> > > > > roadmap. I
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > appreciate if you have time to look at it. :)
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/204
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jincheng
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > jincheng sun <[hidden email]>
> > > 于2019年4月29日周一
> > > > > > >> > 下午11:12写道：
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sure, I will do it！I think the python table
> api
> > > info
> > > > > > >> should
> > > > > > >> > in
> > > > > > >> > > > the
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >  roadmap! Thank you @Jeff @Fabian
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>于2019年4月29日
> > > > > 周一23:05写道：
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Great, thanks Jeff and Timo!
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> @Jincheng do you want to write a paragraph
> > about
> > > > the
> > > > > > >> Python
> > > > > > >> > > > effort
> > > > > > >> > > > > > and
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> open a PR for it?
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I'll remove the issue about Hadoop
> convenience
> > > > builds
> > > > > > >> > > > > (FLINK-11266).
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Best, Fabian
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Am Mo., 29. Apr. 2019 um 16:37 Uhr schrieb
> Jeff
> > > > > Zhang <
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> jincheng(cc) is driving the python effort, I
> > > think
> > > > > he
> > > > > > >> can
> > > > > > >> > > help
> > > > > > >> > > > to
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> prepare it.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> > 于2019年4月29日周一
> > > > > > >> 下午10:15写道：
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Hi everyone,
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Since we had no more comments on this
> > thread, I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > >> we
> > > > > > >> > > > proceed
> > > > > > >> > > > > > to
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> update the roadmap.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> @Jeff Zhang <[hidden email]> I agree, we
> > > > should
> > > > > > add
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> > > > > Python
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> efforts to the roadmap.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Do you want to prepare a short paragraph
> that
> > > we
> > > > > can
> > > > > > >> add
> > > > > > >> > to
> > > > > > >> > > > the
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> document?
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Best, Fabian
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> Am Mi., 17. Apr. 2019 um 15:04 Uhr schrieb
> > Jeff
> > > > > > Zhang <
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>> >:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi Fabian,
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> One thing missing is python api and python
> > > udf,
> > > > we
> > > > > > >> > already
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > discussed
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> it in
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> community, and it is very close to reach
> > > > > consensus.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Fabian Hueske <[hidden email]>
> > > 于2019年4月17日周三
> > > > > > >> > 下午7:51写道：
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > We recently added a roadmap to our
> project
> > > > > website
> > > > > > >> [1]
> > > > > > >> > > and
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > decided
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > update it after every release. Flink
> 1.8.0
> > > was
> > > > > > >> > released a
> > > > > > >> > > > few
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > days
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> ago, so
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > I think it we should check and remove
> from
> > > the
> > > > > > >> roadmap
> > > > > > >> > > what
> > > > > > >> > > > > was
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> achieved so
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > far and add features / improvements that
> > we
> > > > plan
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > >> > > > > > future.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > I had a look at the roadmap and found
> that
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > We are changing the build setup to not
> > > > bundle
> > > > > > >> Hadoop
> > > > > > >> > by
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > default,
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> but
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > rather offer pre-packaged
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > Hadoop libraries for the use with
> Yarn,
> > > > HDFS,
> > > > > > >> etc. as
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > convenience
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > downloads FLINK-11266 <
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-11266
> > > > > >.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > was implemented for 1.8.0 and should be
> > > > removed
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > >> > the
> > > > > > >> > > > > > roadmap.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > All other issues are still ongoing
> > efforts.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Are there any other efforts that we want
> > to
> > > > put
> > > > > on
> > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > >> > > > > roadmap?
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> > Best, Fabian
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> --
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jeff Zhang
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> --
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Best Regards
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Jeff Zhang
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >> > > > >
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> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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