[ANNOUCE][DISCUSS] Roadmap Update for Website

[Stephan Ewen]

Hi all!

The roadmap on the Flink website is quite outdated:
https://flink.apache.org/roadmap.html

I drafted an update to the roadmap that reflects the currently ongoing
bigger threads.
Not every detail is mentioned there, because this roadmap should give users
a high-level view where the project is going.

There is also a new "Feature Radar" to help users understand in which stage
of maturity and support individual features are.

Now, I am sure this will cause some discussion about which feature
should be on which level of maturity. This is my initial proposal which I
checked with some committers, but of course, there may be different
opinions. In that case, please bring this up in this discussion thread and
we find consensus together.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g6T72-8PHTsfhZq8GWWzG8F3PmD-dMuFSzg2AozXNxk/edit?usp=sharing

The raw figure for the feature radar is:
https://github.com/StephanEwen/flink-web/blob/feature_radar/img/flink_feature_radar.svg

If someone has some graphics skills to make this look more pretty, help is
greatly welcome!
(Only request would be to keep a format that many people (and open tools)
can edit, so maintenance remains easy).

Looking forward to hearing what you think!

Best,
Stephan

[Robert Metzger]

Thanks a lot for updating the roadmap!

I really like the new Feature Radar, because it makes some assumptions
floating around on JIRA and the lists properly documented.

I guess the radar is missing the Reactive Mode as an MVP feature.


Otherwise, I'm +1 on publishing this soon!

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 3:38 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> The roadmap on the Flink website is quite outdated:
> https://flink.apache.org/roadmap.html
>
> I drafted an update to the roadmap that reflects the currently ongoing
> bigger threads.
> Not every detail is mentioned there, because this roadmap should give users
> a high-level view where the project is going.
>
> There is also a new "Feature Radar" to help users understand in which stage
> of maturity and support individual features are.
>
> Now, I am sure this will cause some discussion about which feature
> should be on which level of maturity. This is my initial proposal which I
> checked with some committers, but of course, there may be different
> opinions. In that case, please bring this up in this discussion thread and
> we find consensus together.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g6T72-8PHTsfhZq8GWWzG8F3PmD-dMuFSzg2AozXNxk/edit?usp=sharing
>
> The raw figure for the feature radar is:
>
> https://github.com/StephanEwen/flink-web/blob/feature_radar/img/flink_feature_radar.svg
>
> If someone has some graphics skills to make this look more pretty, help is
> greatly welcome!
> (Only request would be to keep a format that many people (and open tools)
> can edit, so maintenance remains easy).
>
> Looking forward to hearing what you think!
>
> Best,
> Stephan
>

[Stephan Ewen]

Thanks, Robert!

As far as I understand, the Reactive Mode is not yet released, that's why I
didn't put it there.
The radar should be updated after each release.

What do you think?

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 3:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks a lot for updating the roadmap!
>
> I really like the new Feature Radar, because it makes some assumptions
> floating around on JIRA and the lists properly documented.
>
> I guess the radar is missing the Reactive Mode as an MVP feature.
>
>
> Otherwise, I'm +1 on publishing this soon!
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 3:38 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > The roadmap on the Flink website is quite outdated:
> > https://flink.apache.org/roadmap.html
> >
> > I drafted an update to the roadmap that reflects the currently ongoing
> > bigger threads.
> > Not every detail is mentioned there, because this roadmap should give
> users
> > a high-level view where the project is going.
> >
> > There is also a new "Feature Radar" to help users understand in which
> stage
> > of maturity and support individual features are.
> >
> > Now, I am sure this will cause some discussion about which feature
> > should be on which level of maturity. This is my initial proposal which I
> > checked with some committers, but of course, there may be different
> > opinions. In that case, please bring this up in this discussion thread
> and
> > we find consensus together.
> >
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g6T72-8PHTsfhZq8GWWzG8F3PmD-dMuFSzg2AozXNxk/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > The raw figure for the feature radar is:
> >
> >
> https://github.com/StephanEwen/flink-web/blob/feature_radar/img/flink_feature_radar.svg
> >
> > If someone has some graphics skills to make this look more pretty, help
> is
> > greatly welcome!
> > (Only request would be to keep a format that many people (and open tools)
> > can edit, so maintenance remains easy).
> >
> > Looking forward to hearing what you think!
> >
> > Best,
> > Stephan
> >
>

[Till Rohrmann]

Thanks for creating the draft for the updated roadmap Stephan. It looks
good to me. I also like the feature radar. This will help our users to
navigate more safely in the growing Flink ecosystem.

Cheers,
Till

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:32 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks, Robert!
>
> As far as I understand, the Reactive Mode is not yet released, that's why I
> didn't put it there.
> The radar should be updated after each release.
>
> What do you think?
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 3:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks a lot for updating the roadmap!
> >
> > I really like the new Feature Radar, because it makes some assumptions
> > floating around on JIRA and the lists properly documented.
> >
> > I guess the radar is missing the Reactive Mode as an MVP feature.
> >
> >
> > Otherwise, I'm +1 on publishing this soon!
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 3:38 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all!
> > >
> > > The roadmap on the Flink website is quite outdated:
> > > https://flink.apache.org/roadmap.html
> > >
> > > I drafted an update to the roadmap that reflects the currently ongoing
> > > bigger threads.
> > > Not every detail is mentioned there, because this roadmap should give
> > users
> > > a high-level view where the project is going.
> > >
> > > There is also a new "Feature Radar" to help users understand in which
> > stage
> > > of maturity and support individual features are.
> > >
> > > Now, I am sure this will cause some discussion about which feature
> > > should be on which level of maturity. This is my initial proposal
> which I
> > > checked with some committers, but of course, there may be different
> > > opinions. In that case, please bring this up in this discussion thread
> > and
> > > we find consensus together.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g6T72-8PHTsfhZq8GWWzG8F3PmD-dMuFSzg2AozXNxk/edit?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > The raw figure for the feature radar is:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/StephanEwen/flink-web/blob/feature_radar/img/flink_feature_radar.svg
> > >
> > > If someone has some graphics skills to make this look more pretty, help
> > is
> > > greatly welcome!
> > > (Only request would be to keep a format that many people (and open
> tools)
> > > can edit, so maintenance remains easy).
> > >
> > > Looking forward to hearing what you think!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Stephan
> > >
> >
>

[Robert Metzger]

@Stephan: Indeed, we shouldn't add unreleased features there.
+1 to update after each release.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 3:05 PM Till Rohrmann <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks for creating the draft for the updated roadmap Stephan. It looks
> good to me. I also like the feature radar. This will help our users to
> navigate more safely in the growing Flink ecosystem.
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 8:32 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Robert!
> >
> > As far as I understand, the Reactive Mode is not yet released, that's
> why I
> > didn't put it there.
> > The radar should be updated after each release.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 3:41 PM Robert Metzger <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks a lot for updating the roadmap!
> > >
> > > I really like the new Feature Radar, because it makes some assumptions
> > > floating around on JIRA and the lists properly documented.
> > >
> > > I guess the radar is missing the Reactive Mode as an MVP feature.
> > >
> > >
> > > Otherwise, I'm +1 on publishing this soon!
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 3:38 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all!
> > > >
> > > > The roadmap on the Flink website is quite outdated:
> > > > https://flink.apache.org/roadmap.html
> > > >
> > > > I drafted an update to the roadmap that reflects the currently
> ongoing
> > > > bigger threads.
> > > > Not every detail is mentioned there, because this roadmap should give
> > > users
> > > > a high-level view where the project is going.
> > > >
> > > > There is also a new "Feature Radar" to help users understand in which
> > > stage
> > > > of maturity and support individual features are.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I am sure this will cause some discussion about which feature
> > > > should be on which level of maturity. This is my initial proposal
> > which I
> > > > checked with some committers, but of course, there may be different
> > > > opinions. In that case, please bring this up in this discussion
> thread
> > > and
> > > > we find consensus together.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g6T72-8PHTsfhZq8GWWzG8F3PmD-dMuFSzg2AozXNxk/edit?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > > The raw figure for the feature radar is:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/StephanEwen/flink-web/blob/feature_radar/img/flink_feature_radar.svg
> > > >
> > > > If someone has some graphics skills to make this look more pretty,
> help
> > > is
> > > > greatly welcome!
> > > > (Only request would be to keep a format that many people (and open
> > tools)
> > > > can edit, so maintenance remains easy).
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to hearing what you think!
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Stephan
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[dwysakowicz]

Thank you Stephan for working on this. It's really nice to see the
roadmap updated. I also find the "Feature Radar" extremely helpful. It
looks good to be published from my side.

Best,

Dawid

On 02/03/2021 15:38, Stephan Ewen wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> The roadmap on the Flink website is quite outdated:
> https://flink.apache.org/roadmap.html
>
> I drafted an update to the roadmap that reflects the currently ongoing
> bigger threads.
> Not every detail is mentioned there, because this roadmap should give users
> a high-level view where the project is going.
>
> There is also a new "Feature Radar" to help users understand in which stage
> of maturity and support individual features are.
>
> Now, I am sure this will cause some discussion about which feature
> should be on which level of maturity. This is my initial proposal which I
> checked with some committers, but of course, there may be different
> opinions. In that case, please bring this up in this discussion thread and
> we find consensus together.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g6T72-8PHTsfhZq8GWWzG8F3PmD-dMuFSzg2AozXNxk/edit?usp=sharing
>
> The raw figure for the feature radar is:
> https://github.com/StephanEwen/flink-web/blob/feature_radar/img/flink_feature_radar.svg
>
> If someone has some graphics skills to make this look more pretty, help is
> greatly welcome!
> (Only request would be to keep a format that many people (and open tools)
> can edit, so maintenance remains easy).
>
> Looking forward to hearing what you think!
>
> Best,
> Stephan
>

[Stephan Ewen]

Thanks for the positive feedback. Will convert this to a pull request then
in the next days.

Still looking to beautify the Feature Radar graphic a bit.

Best,
Stephan


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:26 AM Dawid Wysakowicz <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Thank you Stephan for working on this. It's really nice to see the
> roadmap updated. I also find the "Feature Radar" extremely helpful. It
> looks good to be published from my side.
>
> Best,
>
> Dawid
>
> On 02/03/2021 15:38, Stephan Ewen wrote:
> > Hi all!
> >
> > The roadmap on the Flink website is quite outdated:
> > https://flink.apache.org/roadmap.html
> >
> > I drafted an update to the roadmap that reflects the currently ongoing
> > bigger threads.
> > Not every detail is mentioned there, because this roadmap should give
> users
> > a high-level view where the project is going.
> >
> > There is also a new "Feature Radar" to help users understand in which
> stage
> > of maturity and support individual features are.
> >
> > Now, I am sure this will cause some discussion about which feature
> > should be on which level of maturity. This is my initial proposal which I
> > checked with some committers, but of course, there may be different
> > opinions. In that case, please bring this up in this discussion thread
> and
> > we find consensus together.
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g6T72-8PHTsfhZq8GWWzG8F3PmD-dMuFSzg2AozXNxk/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > The raw figure for the feature radar is:
> >
> https://github.com/StephanEwen/flink-web/blob/feature_radar/img/flink_feature_radar.svg
> >
> > If someone has some graphics skills to make this look more pretty, help
> is
> > greatly welcome!
> > (Only request would be to keep a format that many people (and open tools)
> > can edit, so maintenance remains easy).
> >
> > Looking forward to hearing what you think!
> >
> > Best,
> > Stephan
> >
>
>

[Stephan Ewen]

I created a Pull Request for the roadmap update:
https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pull/426

Happy to take reviews!

Best,
Stephan


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:55 PM Stephan Ewen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks for the positive feedback. Will convert this to a pull request then
> in the next days.
>
> Still looking to beautify the Feature Radar graphic a bit.
>
> Best,
> Stephan
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:26 AM Dawid Wysakowicz <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Stephan for working on this. It's really nice to see the
>> roadmap updated. I also find the "Feature Radar" extremely helpful. It
>> looks good to be published from my side.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dawid
>>
>> On 02/03/2021 15:38, Stephan Ewen wrote:
>> > Hi all!
>> >
>> > The roadmap on the Flink website is quite outdated:
>> > https://flink.apache.org/roadmap.html
>> >
>> > I drafted an update to the roadmap that reflects the currently ongoing
>> > bigger threads.
>> > Not every detail is mentioned there, because this roadmap should give
>> users
>> > a high-level view where the project is going.
>> >
>> > There is also a new "Feature Radar" to help users understand in which
>> stage
>> > of maturity and support individual features are.
>> >
>> > Now, I am sure this will cause some discussion about which feature
>> > should be on which level of maturity. This is my initial proposal which
>> I
>> > checked with some committers, but of course, there may be different
>> > opinions. In that case, please bring this up in this discussion thread
>> and
>> > we find consensus together.
>> >
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g6T72-8PHTsfhZq8GWWzG8F3PmD-dMuFSzg2AozXNxk/edit?usp=sharing
>> >
>> > The raw figure for the feature radar is:
>> >
>> https://github.com/StephanEwen/flink-web/blob/feature_radar/img/flink_feature_radar.svg
>> >
>> > If someone has some graphics skills to make this look more pretty, help
>> is
>> > greatly welcome!
>> > (Only request would be to keep a format that many people (and open
>> tools)
>> > can edit, so maintenance remains easy).
>> >
>> > Looking forward to hearing what you think!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Stephan
>> >
>>
>>